From: 69jpil69@gmail.com   
      
   On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 16:55:35 +1000, MarkE  wrote:   
      
   >On 27/08/2025 1:11 am, sticks wrote:   
   >> On 8/25/2025 9:23 PM, Chris Thompson wrote:   
   >>    
   >> ---snip---   
   >>    
   >>> Alas, at the risk of passing irrevocably through the gates of Old    
   >>> Fartdom, I have to inform you that talk.origins is a pale shadow of    
   >>> its former self. The halcyon days of moonstones, the felt effect of    
   >>> gravity, and woodpecker tongues are never to be revisited. So don't    
   >>> get your hopes up.   
   >>> You are correct that Ron tends to view everything through the lens of,    
   >>> as he puts it, the ID scam. To give Ron his due, Mark E sometimes    
   >>> posts material that doesn't contain overt religious assertion, but    
   >>> fear not: they're almost certainly lurking just below the surface. The    
   >>> stuff above is a fair example: Peltzer IS an accomplished chemist. But    
   >>> he's also an IDist, and his testimony in Kansas really was (again Ron    
   >>> is correct here) a God of the gaps argument.   
   >>>   
   >>> One thing you might do, is look at the TO website (talkorigins.org).    
   >>> It's not been updated since the Permian, but there are a bunch of    
   >>> excellent articles there under "Post of the Month".   
   >>>   
   >>> Now get off my lawn!   
   >>>   
   >>> Chris   
   >>    
   >> I shall find time to go to talkorigins.org.  Thank you.   
   >> I'll also keep an eye out for those references to the God of the Gaps to    
   >> see how specifically it is referred to in this group.  It seems people    
   >> view this concept differently.   
   >>    
   >> BTW, I'm back on the sidewalk now.   
   >>    
   >   
   >If you're interested, here are t.o topics that give some context in    
   >relation to the comments in this thread and where I'm coming from.   
   >   
   >- A summary of my own position and approach, and similar from others:   
   >   
   >"Why do you participate here?"   
   >https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/8fuyuKN4VhE/m/xUYwSeYQAQAJ   
   >   
   >- A proposal on handling scientific evidence and avoiding a    
   >god-of-the-gaps error:   
   >   
   >"Terms of Engagement?"   
   >https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/Q0H4U47iYgk/m/2fprGczIBwAJ   
   >   
   >An example of an assessment of some reasonably current OOL science    
   >commentary which IMO is revealing of how overstated progress in this    
   >field is:   
   >   
   >"Excellent presentation by Bruce Damer and Dave Deamer"   
   >https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/HMw_ZoXIIOc/m/GhDNtzHcAAAJ   
      
      
   I acknowledge your links above are all good examples of your past   
   posts.  Unfortunately, they are also good examples of your denial of   
   the power of reproduction with modification over time, a denial you   
   share with Tour, Peltzer and other ID heroes.  So while y'all continue   
   to claim "science doesn't know X therefore God", good scientists work   
   hard to shrink the gaps in their knowledge.  I can only hope that   
   ID-inspired efforts will ultimately fail in their efforts to dumb down   
   the electorate.   
      
   --    
   To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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