From: me22over7@gmail.com   
      
   On 27/08/2025 7:40 pm, jillery wrote:   
   > On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 16:55:35 +1000, MarkE  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 27/08/2025 1:11 am, sticks wrote:   
   >>> On 8/25/2025 9:23 PM, Chris Thompson wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>> ---snip---   
   >>>   
   >>>> Alas, at the risk of passing irrevocably through the gates of Old   
   >>>> Fartdom, I have to inform you that talk.origins is a pale shadow of   
   >>>> its former self. The halcyon days of moonstones, the felt effect of   
   >>>> gravity, and woodpecker tongues are never to be revisited. So don't   
   >>>> get your hopes up.   
   >>>> You are correct that Ron tends to view everything through the lens of,   
   >>>> as he puts it, the ID scam. To give Ron his due, Mark E sometimes   
   >>>> posts material that doesn't contain overt religious assertion, but   
   >>>> fear not: they're almost certainly lurking just below the surface. The   
   >>>> stuff above is a fair example: Peltzer IS an accomplished chemist. But   
   >>>> he's also an IDist, and his testimony in Kansas really was (again Ron   
   >>>> is correct here) a God of the gaps argument.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> One thing you might do, is look at the TO website (talkorigins.org).   
   >>>> It's not been updated since the Permian, but there are a bunch of   
   >>>> excellent articles there under "Post of the Month".   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Now get off my lawn!   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Chris   
   >>>   
   >>> I shall find time to go to talkorigins.org.  Thank you.   
   >>> I'll also keep an eye out for those references to the God of the Gaps to   
   >>> see how specifically it is referred to in this group.  It seems people   
   >>> view this concept differently.   
   >>>   
   >>> BTW, I'm back on the sidewalk now.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> If you're interested, here are t.o topics that give some context in   
   >> relation to the comments in this thread and where I'm coming from.   
   >>   
   >> - A summary of my own position and approach, and similar from others:   
   >>   
   >> "Why do you participate here?"   
   >> https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/8fuyuKN4VhE/m/xUYwSeYQAQAJ   
   >>   
   >> - A proposal on handling scientific evidence and avoiding a   
   >> god-of-the-gaps error:   
   >>   
   >> "Terms of Engagement?"   
   >> https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/Q0H4U47iYgk/m/2fprGczIBwAJ   
   >>   
   >> An example of an assessment of some reasonably current OOL science   
   >> commentary which IMO is revealing of how overstated progress in this   
   >> field is:   
   >>   
   >> "Excellent presentation by Bruce Damer and Dave Deamer"   
   >> https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/HMw_ZoXIIOc/m/GhDNtzHcAAAJ   
   >   
   >   
   > I acknowledge your links above are all good examples of your past   
   > posts.  Unfortunately, they are also good examples of your denial of   
   > the power of reproduction with modification over time, a denial you   
   > share with Tour, Peltzer and other ID heroes.  So while y'all continue   
   > to claim "science doesn't know X therefore God", good scientists work   
   > hard to shrink the gaps in their knowledge.  I can only hope that   
   > ID-inspired efforts will ultimately fail in their efforts to dumb down   
   > the electorate.   
   >   
      
   "science doesn't know X therefore God" - accurate summation or   
   disingenuous caricature? Let the reader decide.   
      
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