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|    RonO to MarkE    |
|    Re: Student of Stanley Miller comments o    |
|    28 Aug 25 10:48:25    |
      [continued from previous message]              > 3. Let's consider the "God hypothesis"       > 4. Other (please elaborate)       >       > You may choose more than one option.       >       > [From the subject /David Deamer's book "Assembling Life"/]       >       > ___       >       > My question then, is it reasonable, accurate and in good faith to       > characterise this as "science doesn't know X therefore God"?       >       Yes it is. God-of-the-gaps is just that no matter if the gaps are never       going to be filled. No one expects to figure out how life actually       arose on this planet. The best that we can do without a time machine is       figure out the most likely way that life arose, and it could have       actually arisen in a much more unlikely way. The first organic       conglomerate that produced the first self replicating molecules might       have been created by a random asteroid impact instead of condensing in       some crevice somewhere.              Gaps like what caused the Big Bang may never be filled due to the       singularity that we can't get past to see what existed before. Denton       is happy with using this gap because he can never be demonstrated to be       wrong.              I was a genetics major as an undergraduate at Berkeley, and all the       geneticists told me that genetics was over and that the future was       molecular biology, so I did my PhD in molecular genetics. During my       graduate studies tools for genomic analysis like PCR and microsatellite       genetic markers were created, and they had the promise of allowing the       unsolved issues in genetics to be answered. I went back into genetics       because the new technology was opening up a new frontier in genetics.       There was finally the possibility that things like why the infinite       allele model worked so well in quantitative genetics. Quantitative       genetic analysis was well worked out, but we didn't understand why it       worked. I started my first post doc on looking for quantitative trait       loci (QTL) in 1992. I retired in 2024 and we still do not know why the       infinite allele model works for quantitative genetic analysis. We can       sequence whole genomes now, but somethings remain a mystery. You do not       see the ID perps claiming that their designer is responsible for the       success of the infinite allele model in quantitative genetics.              My guess for why it works is that due to the fall off in increased       accuracy with the inclusion of more past generations of data (about 3       past generations are enough to use for things like BLUP (best linear       unbiased prediction) is that linkage is the reason for the infinite       allele model working so well. Most of it may be apparent linkage and       not actual linkage on the same chromosome. We have found that an LD       (linkage disequalibrium) of only 0.3 within a population is sufficient       to use markers spaced along the genome to improve the accuracy of       predicting the best breeding values for individuals. All the alleles       segregating in the genome have a minimum linkage of 0.5 (you inherit       half of one parent's genome) in the first cross. Closely linked markers       have a linkage close to 1.0. This means that the whole genome can be       considered to have a quantitative genetic value due to hundred or       thousands of genetic variants in that genome, and these variants can be       inherited together just by chance if they occur in the same individual       even if they are not linked. This would create pseudo haplotypes based       on the whole genome, and not just haplotypes of the same chromosomes.       In the first cross half the QTL segregate together in any individual.       My guess is that this would create close enough to an infinite number of       pseudo haplotypes of unlinked QTL. Half the sires genome is inherited       in the first cross, 25% in the next cross, but if we are talking genome       equivalents (and things that sire is homozygous for) then all the       homozygous alleles (1 genome equivalent) is inherited among the progeny       of the first cross, half a genome equivalent in the second cross and 25%       in the third cross. Statistically these pseudo haplotypes could persist       for multiple generations. Each individual starts with a new set of       pseudo haplotypes that add to the haplotypes due to actual linkage, so       you never see all the "alleles" possible in a single generation. There       would be pretty much an infinite number of them.              Ron Okimoto              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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