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   MarkE to Mark Isaak   
   Re: Student of Stanley Miller comments o   
   30 Aug 25 10:41:12   
   
   From: me22over7@gmail.com   
      
   On 29/08/2025 1:53 am, Mark Isaak wrote:   
   > On 8/23/25 6:06 AM, MarkE wrote:   
   >> On 22/08/2025 11:19 pm, RonO wrote:   
      
   >>   
   >> Ron, this post is not about the Bible or any particular interpretation   
   >> of it. The interview cited is only science. Ironically, your bluster   
   >> and misdirection serve to "deny the science".   
   >   
   > How do you reconcile your views with theism?  You're effectively telling   
   > god what god can and cannot do.  In my view, that means placing yourself   
   > above God, which demotes God to non-god status.   
   >   
      
   My approach is to avoid conflating science and theology. Therefore, I   
   generally discuss the science only. My theological beliefs are not   
   relevant to interpreting science.   
      
   All the same, I'm happy to discuss my faith and have done so here. So to   
   reiterate my approach:   
      
   In my opinion, growing scientific understanding of the functional   
   complexity of even minimal life is leading to deepening problems with   
   abiogenesis. As a consequence, consideration of a supernatural   
   explanation becomes increasingly warranted as a rational response to   
   scientific evidence.   
      
   It's not an either/or; it's not a suggestion to abandon science. Keep   
   doing science, but don't rule out supernatural explanation. Moreover, do   
   so with these in mind:   
      
   - don't be too hasty to appeal to the supernatural -- that is the   
   god-of-the-gaps error;   
   - recognise the boundary of science, i.e. that science cannot, by   
   definition, tell us anything about a hypothesised supernatural cause.   
      
   Some will only consider natural explanations because science has no   
   access to the supernatural, or an erroneous belief that science is the   
   only possible source of knowledge. That's akin to a child putting their   
   hands over their eyes and declaring you can't see them.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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