From: 69jpil69@gmail.com   
      
   On Sat, 30 Aug 2025 14:59:33 +1000, MarkE  wrote:   
      
   >On 29/08/2025 8:06 pm, jillery wrote:   
   >> On Fri, 29 Aug 2025 07:59:57 +1000, MarkE  wrote:   
   >>    
   >>> Let's celebrate the freedom to hold different views. As I said, let the   
   >>> reader decide.   
   >>    
   >>    
   >> You go from asking if god-of-the-gaps refutations are disingenuous   
   >> caricatures, to asking if people don't have a right to different   
   >> points of view.  These are two very different questions, representing   
   >> a disingenuous shift in topic.  Bad form, MarkE.   
   >>    
   >> Of course everybody has a right to their own opinions, but they don't   
   >> have a right to their own facts.  Your posts assert current OoL   
   >> research is at a standstill facing a fundamental and ever-widening   
   >> gulf of ignorance. When in fact OoL researchers have made and continue   
   >> to make progress in closing that gap.   
   >   
   >You're arguing by assertion.   
      
      
   You're denying by assertion, which negates that rebuke.  Meanwhile you   
   continue to ignore your disingenuous change in topic I noted above.   
   These tactics serve you poorly.   
      
      
   >You say "When in fact OoL researchers have made and continue to make    
   >progress in closing that gap", which is merely a personal assertion of    
   >one side of the debate, not an argument or statement of fact.   
   >   
   >No big deal, I'm sure I've made similar errors. Respect for owning it.   
      
      
   Your claims about the OoL "gulf" are at best the personal opinions of   
   you and your fellow IDists, and hardly rise to the level of fact you   
   claim for it.  Your continued hyperbole and handwaving make it hard to   
   take your posts seriously.   
      
       
   >> Instead of presuming OoL research is at odds with a Creator, ISTM you   
   >> would do better to follow the style of Cardinal Baronius and presume   
   >> OoL research shows not how to live, but how the Creator made life.   
      
      
   Neil Tyson regularly riffs a story comparable to your expressed line   
   of reasoning, how Newton had the raw talent to deal with the   
   complexitiies of celestial mechanics, but instead invoked divine   
   intervention, and so progress on that point had to wait another   
   century for Laplace.  The point being, even if OoL research is at a   
   place comparable to that of Newton in his time, obsessing over it is   
   still god-of-the-gaps reasoning.  Get over it.   
      
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