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|    Re: Student of Stanley Miller comments o    |
|    30 Aug 25 12:06:47    |
      [continued from previous message]              currently being out competed by the midwestern subspecies when they       normally come into contact each warm interglacial period when Canada       becomes forested instead of being covered with ice.              The Wrangel Island mammoth went extinct due to inbreeding depression.       We can get ancient DNA samples and the ice age megafauna of past ice       ages were less inbred and more genetically diverse than the last couple       of ice ages. My guess is that the longer cold periods of the last half       million years has allowed over selection for cold adaptation, and the       variation that was needed to adapt to the warmer interglacial periods       was mostly lost. A couple papers have noted that more ancient       populations had more warm adapted variants segregating than the most       recent ice age populations. They had adapted to cooling conditions for       a couple million years, but had maintained the genetic variants needed       to deal with the warmer interglacial periods until this last cold       period. Even though the populations reexpanded during this last glacial       period and their populations recovered to what they had been during       other glacial periods their genetics remained inbred. It seems that       fewer isolated populations survived to remix after their territories       reexpanded to allow the previously isolated populations to come together       and restore genetic diversity to the species. My guess is that       inbreeding depression was a major cause of the extinctions of the mega       fauna when they were again isolated to small populations during the       current interglacial.              I was involved in the first genome variation analysis of the domestic       chicken population. The paper was published in PNAS. With genetic       markers spread across the genome we could estimate inbreeding levels for       each population that we had included in the study. We could also       conclude that the commercial lines only had a minor fraction of the       genetic diversity found among the populations that we had tested. Some       of the commercial population were highly inbred (Fst over 0.8).       Multiple breeder companies were involved in the study, but several of       them objected to the findings. We had an internal peer review that was       more rigorous than any that I had previously been associated with.       Everything was cross checked and assumptions verified and or noted. In       the end the results were just what they were, and several companies       removed themselves as authors on the paper. What we did not put in the       paper (because the breeder companies did not provide the pedigree       information) was that the inbreeding levels were much lower than we       expected them to be. It is well known that commercial breeders try to       limit inbreeding to less than 1% per generation in order to maintain       genetic progress due to selection, but some of the lines had been closed       lines for over 50 generations, and we started with birds inbred due to       being bred to a standard. Before the modern commercial breeding       industry started in the 1950's nearly all breeders sold chickens bred to       a physical standard (the American Standard of perfection). The       commercial industry started with birds like White Plymouth Rocks that       had been bred to the standard since the 19th century.              Somehow commercial breeders had selected for heterozygousity within       closed lines under intense selection. Our birds were less inbred than       we expected them to be. My take is that we were able to detect       inbreeding depression (dominance and gene interactions) and were able to       identify the least inbred (alleles identical by descent) sibs by       phenotype. This means that nature can do the same thing. So       deleterious loci would be important in the selection and success of a       population, and we do not have the tools to detect and quantify the       dominance and gene interaction effects that are significant even though       when we look with our current models and analytical techniques we       usually do not find these factors to be significant.              PNAS paper, this became my 4th most cited publication, and was my second       publication accepted as submitted without revision, probably, because we       had revised it and checked it out multiple times before submission:       https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18981413/              Ron Okimoto              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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