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   arguments in the order in which they must have occurred in this universe   
   are not consistent with their old earth Biblical creation model.  The   
   Reason to Believe creationists continue to want land plants to have been   
   created before sea creatures, and they want whales to have been created   
   with the other sea creatures for some reason when they obviously were   
   not created until after terrestrial mammals had existed.  It is crazy   
   what they have to do in order to try to fit reality into their Biblical   
   creation model.   
      
   https://reasons.org/single/creation-model-approach   
      
   https://reasons.org/explore/publications/articles/summary-of-rea   
   ons-to-believes-testable-creation-model-1   
      
   This model still has land plants created before sea creatures, but   
   instead of the sun and moon being created during the 4th period of time   
   they have the sun and moon becoming visible during this time (there was   
   some type of vapor shroud around the earth for 4 billion years).  They   
   still want birds created before land animals.  The JW have this same   
   explanation for the sun and the moon, but the Bible uses the word for   
   made or make when referring to the creation of the sun and moon on the   
   fourth day, and no mention of visibility.  My guess is that the Biblical   
   god would have been able to see the sun and moon as soon as they were   
   created, and humans would not be around to see them until day 6.  Most   
   YEC continue to believe that the sun and moon were created on the 4th day.   
      
   They used to claim to be IDiots even after Dover.  They just claimed   
   that they did not support teaching the junk in the public schools.  This   
   seems to have changed around 2018 (it looks like Hugh Ross retired).   
   They used to claim that they were using intelligent design to build   
   their creation model.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
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