From: rokimoto557@gmail.com
On 9/3/2025 7:36 AM, MarkE wrote:
> In the dying embers of TO, a moment to acknowledge an extensive and
> informative reply which draws on career experience. Appreciated.
>
> Re: Student of Stanley Miller comments on OoL
> RonO
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2025 09:35:42 -0500
> Message ID: <1094b01$3tkab$1@dont-email.me>
>
> If nothing else, a welcome diversion from Ron's regular menu, e.g.:
>
> "MarkE has always appeared to be sane enough to understand that he is
> just lying to himself about his approach to gap denial."
>
> "MarkE is using the gap denial to support his religious beliefs, so he
> has to lie about his theological beliefs not being relevant, when they
> are the reason why he needs to wallow in the denial. If the gaps did
> not challenge is theology he would not have to claim that the gaps are
> never going to be filled."
>
The truth seems to sting a bit. Instead of crying about reality, what
you should do is admit that you are into the gap denial in order to
support your religious beliefs. It is obvious that the only reason why
you want to fill the origin of life gap with some god is due to your
Biblical beliefs. What you need to do is face reality like the other
IDiots. When they realized that the ID perp's god-of-the-gaps denial
stupidity (that the ID perps got from the scientific creationists that
came before them) did not support their Biblical beliefs they quit
supporting the ID scam. You just started to take the gaps independently
so that you could lie to yourself about them without dealing with how
they affect your religious beliefs. You admit to this by your refusal
to state in a simple and straight forward manner how you deal with the
fact that the origin of life gap is not Bibilical, and that if the gap
is filled it would not be filled by your Biblical god. You lie to
yourself about this being about the limits of science, but it is only
your way to keep denying reality in order to maintain your religious
beliefs.
What creationist like you need to do is to face the fact that the Bible
is wrong about a lot of things that we have been able to figure out
about nature, and sort that out for yourself. Wallowing in denial is
never going to change reality.
Saint Augustine was already admonishing Christians in the early church
that they could not use the Bible to deny what we could figure out about
nature for ourselves. He was having issues with Biblical literalists
that were making stupid claims about nature (likely flat earthers, but
he doesn't specifically state the issue). The Greeks had estimated the
circumference of the earth by physical measurements a couple of
centuries before Christ was born. Even after the failure of geocentrism
there was a resurgence of flat earth creationism after Darwin publish
the Origin of Species. Even the young earth creationists were whipping
a dead horse at that time. Kelvin's counters to the geological
estimates had an earth of around 300 million years old, and Darwin could
only claim that if 300 million years was all life had, that is all life
had to evolve into what we have today. Kelvin lived long enough to
learn why his estimates were wrong, and we now understand that the earth
is around 4.5 billion years old and that life has likely existed on this
planet for over 3 billion years.
For Christianity nature has never supported the literal Biblical
creation (the earth was known not to be flat before Christ was born).
Science is just the study of nature, and nature just is not Biblical.
Descriptions of the creation were understood to be metaphorical in the
early church, but Biblical literalists have fought against this reality
to this day. You need to stop fighting reality and deal with it in some
sane manner. You don't want to end up like Bill and start claiming that
reality doesn't exist. What would that mean to your religious beliefs?
Ron Okimoto
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