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   never be able to scientifically address.  This is why ID perps like   
   Denton just claim that his designer got the ball rolling with the Big   
   Bang and the rest could have unfolded into what we have.  The   
   "information" that you claim is required to build things isn't a factor   
   for the origin of life nor the subsequent evolution of life on earth.   
   Denton understands that your "information" is not required.  He claims   
   that the initial conditions set things up to unfold.  This is because   
   the "information" needed is not like a computer program or the planning   
   needed to manufacture a V8 engine.   
      
   The original information needed to create the first self replicating   
   molecules would have been just chemistry.  Once you have a self   
   replicator that replicates imperfectly evolution can start.  Any random   
   mistake might result in some new function, but it has to work within the   
   boundaries of what is already working or the molecule does not   
   replicate.  Failures do not replicate, so what you are left with are the   
   successes.  The original lifeform that might have been called a single   
   cell still exists in all the extant lifeforms.  It isn't just DNA   
   transferred between generations, but functioning cells have to hold the   
   next generations genetic material.  For multicellular lifeforms they all   
   have to develop from the single functioning cells that contain the next   
   generations genetics.  This means that you do not need a plan and   
   mechanics like you need to make a V8 engine.  What happens is the   
   constant testing of genetic changes by the existing environment.  Each   
   change has to work within what is already working or it is lost.  What   
   we observe are lifeforms evolving by such incremental functioning   
   changes.  What we observe is not new designs, but additions to what is   
   already working.  Even if there was a plan or design that was being   
   followed it would have to be implemented in this way because descent   
   with modification is just a fact of nature.  ID perps like Denton   
   understand this to be true.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
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