From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   On 9/3/2025 12:17 PM, sticks wrote:   
   > On 9/2/2025 4:57 PM, RonO wrote:   
   >   
   > ---snip--->   
   >> You are coming very late into the ID creationist scam.  The IDiots   
   >> perpetrating the scam have never produced any valid ID science.  All   
   >> they have used their ID science claims for is as bait to sucker the   
   >> rubes into trying to teach the junk in the public schools so that the   
   >> ID perps can tell them not to do that, and the ID perps bend them over   
   >> and try to force them to take their obfuscation and denial switch scam   
   >> that the ID perps tell the rubes has nothing to do with ID nor   
   >> creationism, when the switch scam is just the same obfuscation and   
   >> denial that the scientific creationists used to use to claim that   
   >> their creation science had enough merit to be taught in the public   
   >> schools.  Nearly all the creationist rubes that have had the bait and   
   >> switch run on them have dropped the issue instead of bending over for   
   >> the switch scam.  Biblical creationists want to teach the kids their   
   >> religious beliefs, and if they can't tell the students why they are   
   >> lying to them, they do not want to teach them enough science for them   
   >> to be told what to deny.  The ID scam has been a classic bait and   
   >> switch scam for over 23 years.  Not a single rube that has tried to   
   >> teach the ID science ever got any from the ID perps.  You should know   
   >> this because you don't see a single example of any creationists ever   
   >> getting the promised ID science from the ID perps.   They still claim   
   >> to have a scientific theory of ID that can be taught in the public   
   >> schools, but the bait and switch still goes down.  The last example   
   >> was West Virginia in 2024.  The legislator was forced to drop the   
   >> claim that ID could be taught in the West Virginia public schools from   
   >> her legislation and she had to replace it with switch scam language.   
   >> The act passed and even though she had to remove ID from the act she   
   >> still claimed that ID could be taught in the public schools. She was   
   >> too stupid to understand that the bait and switch had gone down, and   
   >> Luskin had to tell her that the Discovery Institute did not support   
   >> teaching ID in the public schools.  Luskin is coauthor of the current   
   >> teach ID scam propaganda that tells the rubes that ID is a scientific   
   >> theory that can be taught in the public schools, and that even though   
   >> ID failed in federal court, that it is still legal to teach ID outside   
   >> of Dover PA.  The Discovery Institute is the only organization that I   
   >> know of that still claims to be able to teach ID in the public   
   >> schools, but that claim is only bait, and has been bait for over 23   
   >> years.  The creationist obfuscation and denial switch scam has been   
   >> their only way forward for their Wedge goals for over 2 decades.   
   >   
   > As far as the court cases go, I am not surprised at the end result,   
   > though I would differ with you on the intent, and the correctness and   
   > effect of the verdict.  I simply don't care what a court ruled about   
   > teaching ID in school, nor what any of the individuals involved say or   
   > believe.  Even if you tie them all to the discovery.org or the science   
   > and culture people.  What I am interested in is their work, just as I am   
   > in the work of the evolution crowd.  It is the interpretation of results   
   > that always gets interesting and is often controversial.   
   >   
   > With academia controlled almost completely by people on the left with   
   > Marxist ideology, I wouldn't want my kid to be taught anything about ID   
   > by them.  That would be my job.   
      
   At this point in time this is just wacko denial of reality.  Phillip   
   Johnson is called the "godfather" of the ID scam by the other ID perps.   
   They claim that Johnson came up with the Wedge strategy to get their ID   
   science taught in the public schools in order to accomplish their   
   religious and political goals stated in the Wedge document.  If you read   
   the Wedge document one of the 5 year goals was getting ID taught in the   
   public schools in 10 states.  Phillip Johnson likely never agreed with   
   the bait and switch scam that the Discovery Institute implemented   
   instead of going through with teaching ID in the public schools and he   
   "retired" from his ID Blog at ARN one month after the other ID perps ran   
   the bait and switch on the Ohio rubes in March 2002.  The ID perps may   
   have met their 5 year goal if they had not started only using ID as bait   
   and only giving the rubes their obfuscation and denial switch scam.  I   
   recall 4 states also wanting to teach ID within around 4 weeks of the ID   
   perps running the bait and switch on Ohio, and the bait and switch went   
   down in every case.  By the time Johnson retired the bait and switch had   
   gone down several times.   
      
   Johnson did not give up on getting ID taught in the public schools and   
   when Dover hit the fan he came out of retirement and claimed that ID   
   would prevail in Federal court.  The bait and switch had gone down 100%   
      
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