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   On 9/3/25 10:17 AM, sticks wrote:   
   > On 9/2/2025 4:57 PM, RonO wrote:   
   >   
   > ---snip--->   
   >> You are coming very late into the ID creationist scam.  The IDiots   
   >> perpetrating the scam have never produced any valid ID science.  All   
   >> they have used their ID science claims for is as bait to sucker the   
   >> rubes into trying to teach the junk in the public schools so that the   
   >> ID perps can tell them not to do that, and the ID perps bend them over   
   >> and try to force them to take their obfuscation and denial switch scam   
   >> that the ID perps tell the rubes has nothing to do with ID nor   
   >> creationism, when the switch scam is just the same obfuscation and   
   >> denial that the scientific creationists used to use to claim that   
   >> their creation science had enough merit to be taught in the public   
   >> schools.  Nearly all the creationist rubes that have had the bait and   
   >> switch run on them have dropped the issue instead of bending over for   
   >> the switch scam.  Biblical creationists want to teach the kids their   
   >> religious beliefs, and if they can't tell the students why they are   
   >> lying to them, they do not want to teach them enough science for them   
   >> to be told what to deny.  The ID scam has been a classic bait and   
   >> switch scam for over 23 years.  Not a single rube that has tried to   
   >> teach the ID science ever got any from the ID perps.  You should know   
   >> this because you don't see a single example of any creationists ever   
   >> getting the promised ID science from the ID perps.   They still claim   
   >> to have a scientific theory of ID that can be taught in the public   
   >> schools, but the bait and switch still goes down.  The last example   
   >> was West Virginia in 2024.  The legislator was forced to drop the   
   >> claim that ID could be taught in the West Virginia public schools from   
   >> her legislation and she had to replace it with switch scam language.   
   >> The act passed and even though she had to remove ID from the act she   
   >> still claimed that ID could be taught in the public schools. She was   
   >> too stupid to understand that the bait and switch had gone down, and   
   >> Luskin had to tell her that the Discovery Institute did not support   
   >> teaching ID in the public schools.  Luskin is coauthor of the current   
   >> teach ID scam propaganda that tells the rubes that ID is a scientific   
   >> theory that can be taught in the public schools, and that even though   
   >> ID failed in federal court, that it is still legal to teach ID outside   
   >> of Dover PA.  The Discovery Institute is the only organization that I   
   >> know of that still claims to be able to teach ID in the public   
   >> schools, but that claim is only bait, and has been bait for over 23   
   >> years.  The creationist obfuscation and denial switch scam has been   
   >> their only way forward for their Wedge goals for over 2 decades.   
   >   
   > As far as the court cases go, I am not surprised at the end result,   
   > though I would differ with you on the intent, and the correctness and   
   > effect of the verdict.  I simply don't care what a court ruled about   
   > teaching ID in school, nor what any of the individuals involved say or   
   > believe.   
      
   Does it not give you pause when you consider that the best people that   
   the Intelligent Design supporters could bring as witnesses had to use   
   dishonesty to support their case? (If you doubt the dishonesty, read the   
   trial transcripts.)   
      
      
   > [...]  Research is fine, but I   
   > don't think it is an argument from incredulity to believe that coded   
   > information can arise from physical matter ignores the fundamental laws   
   > of information.   
      
   What are those fundamental laws of information?   
      
      
   --   
   Mark Isaak   
   "Wisdom begins when you discover the difference between 'That   
   doesn't make sense' and 'I don't understand.'" - Mary Doria Russell   
      
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