From: specimenNOSPAM@curioustaxon.omy.net   
      
   On 9/3/25 10:46 AM, sticks wrote:   
   > [...]   
   > Yes, but you're still left with explaining where the information to   
   > build anything originated.   
      
   Have you ever looked at limestone cave formations such as stalactites,   
   flowstone draperies, soda straws, cave pearls, etc.? Where does the   
   information to build them come from? Do you think their origin is   
   supernatural?   
      
   > [...]   
   > I'm not denying things suggested as or considered IC can be show not to   
   > be.  I just found the blanket statement that "irreducible complexity is   
   > evidence *for* evolution and *against* ID" is a little absurd, or funny.   
      
   The idea for irreducible complexity in microbiology was first advanced   
   in 1918 by Hermann Muller (although he called it "interlocking   
   complexity"). He did not present any examples, but he pointed out that   
   it would arise *as a result* of evolutionary changes. When a theory is   
   used to make a prediction, and that prediction is borne out, that counts   
   as evidence for the theory.   
      
   Muller, Hermann J. 1918. Genetic variability, twin hybrids and constant   
   hybrids, in a case of balanced lethal factors. Genetics 3: 422-499.   
   Muller, H. J. 1939. Reversibility in evolution considered from the   
   standpoint of genetics. Biological Reviews of the Cambridge   
   Philosophical Society 14: 261-280.   
      
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