From: me22over7@gmail.com   
      
   On 4/09/2025 10:09 pm, Ernest Major wrote:   
   > Either an uncaused (though QM does have, in some degree, uncaused   
   > events) universe, or an eternal universe, or an infinite regression of   
   > causes, runs contrary to common intuition. But postulating a cosmogen   
   > doesn't get you out of the bind. It doesn't add to the explanation -   
   > it's another way of explaining away the data. One might as well apply   
   > Occam's Razor, and say "I don't know the origin of the universe" than   
   > say "the cosmogen created the universe, but I don't know the origin of   
   > the cosmogen".   
      
   I'm with John:   
      
   Professor John Lennox argues that the question "Who created the   
   Creator?" is based on a faulty premise, as his Christian belief is that   
   the God who created the universe is inherently uncreated and eternal.   
   Lennox contends that asking about the creator of God is like asking   
   about the creator of the concept of creation itself, a question that   
   doesn't logically apply to an uncreated being but is a logical fallacy   
   when applied to a being outside the universe.   
      
   THE GOD OF THE BIBLE IS UNCREATED:   
   Lennox's position is that the God described in the Bible is not a   
   created being but is eternal and uncreated.   
      
   LOGICAL FALLACY:   
   The question "Who created the Creator?" assumes that the Creator is like   
   a created thing within the universe, which Lennox says is the mistake.   
      
   RICHARD DAWKINS'S ARGUMENT:   
   Lennox addresses the question in the context of Richard Dawkins'   
   argument in The God Delusion, which suggests that explaining the   
   universe with a creator leads to an infinite regress of questions.   
      
   COUNTERING THE INFINITE REGRESS:   
   Lennox argues that if one accepts the existence of something eternal,   
   then positing an eternal, uncreated Person (God) is not a logical   
   difficulty. Conversely, if one believes the universe and its finite   
   matter came into being, the question "who created that?" can be asked   
   about it.   
      
   CREATED VS. UNCREATED:   
   He differentiates between a created god, which he calls a delusion or an   
   idol, and the uncreated, eternal God of Christianity.   
      
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