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|    RonO to John Harshman    |
|    Re: Ant queen lays eggs that hatch into     |
|    07 Sep 25 10:29:22    |
      [continued from previous message]              before developing into an egg laying machine. If no male is around no       eggs get produced. No M. ibericus progeny.              >       >> My guess that initially the hybridization between the two species       >> selected for queens prone to non disjunction in Meiosis I. These       >> defective queens would have been the ones to benefit from mating with       >> another species whose DNA they didn't need.       >       > What benefit?              Below. A female prone to nondisjunction is at a disadvantage because       she is producing empty eggs (0N) and 2N egg cells, so she will produce       too many 1N male offspring, and not enough 2N workers and most of the       workers that she does produce may have issues as triploids (they may be       inviable). Mating with a different species allowed the female to switch       her egg fertilization strategy. Normally she would produce just enough       unfertilized eggs to produce males, but now she doesn't want the male to       fertilize the eggs. Her strategy had to switch to preventing male       fertilization. Initially the hybrid 2N hybrid progeny (they would have       been produced until a high frequency of non disjunction was attained)       were likely infertile queens, so the non disjuction females would have       been selected for reproduction. This probably allowed selection for       increased frequency of non disjuction and an increse in producing       unfertilized eggs.              >       >> For normal matings the triploids produced would have difficulty       >> reproducing or there might have been a lot of dead triploid embryos       >> produced, so the queens prone to non disjunction would have been       >> selected against.       >       > The question isn't why the queens mate with non-conspecifics. The       > question is why they mate at all.       The females likely need to mate before completing their development into       egg laying machines, and there is also the selective factors of evolving       an animal prone to a high frequency of non disjunction. Mating with       another species where the hybrid had reproductive issues would select       for the unfertilized non disjunction queens. This would allow for       selection for non disjunction and shifting to producing more       unfertilized eggs.              Ron Okimoto              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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