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|    RonO to John Harshman    |
|    Re: Ant queen lays eggs that hatch into     |
|    07 Sep 25 09:50:50    |
      [continued from previous message]              started with enough genetic variation to keep producing highly       polymorphic populations.              >       >> What is lost is the ability to gain new genetic variants due to normal       >> sexual reproduction. In this case the queen posesses a highly       >> polymorphic genome that has been repeatedly tested and won out to       >> create an expanding population with the same starting genetics.       >       > Again, do you actually know that the genome is highly polymorphic,       > whatever that means in an effective population size of one?\              The authors claim that the parthenogenetic species is highly       polymorphic, but my guess is that it may not be as polymorphic as the       sexually reproducing outcrossing species. The parthenogenetic colonies       may be as polymorphic as any individual normal M. ibericus colony. It       sounds like M. ibericus relies on inbreeding in that male and female       sibs create the new colonies. I would expect the normal amount of       genetic variation in an M. ibericus colony to be low, and they normally       rely on the most polymorphic sib pairing to produce successful colonies.        the normal M. ibericus may also reproduce selfishly and not want to       reproduce someone else's DNA, but the species has to pay the price for       doing inbreeding within a family. Non disjunction is better than sib       matings for keeping the DNA within the family.              >       >> Each new queen would have a different combination of genetic variation       >> inherited from the original queen. Any combination that isn't as       >> successful would be out competed.       >       > I just can't see recombination of this sort as producing much selectable       > variation.       >              Position effect is when a genes position on the chromosome is associated       with how well it functions. When you change the linkage you change what       alleles of flanking genes exist to affect the expression of alleles       nearby. Just think about recombination around a deleterious loci. One       of the models for heterosis is linkage to deleterious loci. The loci       flanking a deleterious loci may have selective advantage, but       heterozygousity (hybrid vigor) is maintained because homozygotes are       selected against. Recombination shuffles the variants around the       deleterious loci. Gene interaction is likely very important (everything       has to work with everything else that is working) and it has long been       posited that the arrangement of alleles along the chromosome was       important (often genes involved in the same biochemical pathway or       function in the organism are found in close linkage on the same       chromosome). Closely linked loci are more likely to be inherited       together, so if you create a linkage between two variant alleles that       have some selective advantage together the progeny are more likely to       inherit both of those alleles. If recombination still occurs in these       queens they can produce many offspring with new linkage arrangements.       New advantageous linkage arrangements are more likely be be inherited       together. They can change the linkage with a deleterious allele so that       the advantageous flanking alleles can be fixed in the population and the       deleterious allele can eventually be lost.       Ron Okimoto              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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