From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   On 9/11/2025 2:35 AM, MarkE wrote:   
   > On 10/09/2025 11:26 pm, John Harshman wrote:   
   >> On 9/10/25 4:54 AM, MarkE wrote:   
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   > ...   
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   >>> TO is a pretty joyless place for a creationist tbh, in fact for most   
   >>> participants for much of the the time it appears. But I keep coming   
   >>> back because it does offer capable and informed critique of ideas and   
   >>> claims. In view of that, thanks for your engagement.   
   >>   
   >> You're a creationist? What sort?   
   >>   
   >   
   > OEC, reasonably aligned with ID but with some reservations.   
      
   You are talking about Biblical literalist OEC that continue to want the   
   Bible to tell them something about the creation.  The reservations are   
   why the Reason to Believe OEC are ex IDiots like Kalk and Bill.   
      
   >   
   > Theistic evolution seems problematic to me, though Biologos makes a go   
   > of it.   
      
   Again for your "problematic" IDiotic type creationists, you are talking   
   about Biblical literalist creationists that can't accept the reality of   
   the creation that actually exists.  A lot of theistic evolutionists no   
   longer need the denial.   
      
   >   
   > Progressive Creation with Reasons To Believe attempts to reconcile   
   > various factors.   
      
   The ex IDiots only use recreation because they think that biological   
   evolution is inconsistent with their Biblical beliefs.  Their recreation   
   model is still inconsistent with the Biblical order of creation, so they   
   are starting the claim that life may not have been created in the   
   Biblical order, and that previous creations just are not mentioned to   
   have been created before the periods of time of the Bible.  In effect it   
   is stupid and they might as well just acknowledge that biological   
   evolution is a fact of nature that it is.   
      
   >   
   > YEC...well, yes. In my own experience, a mix of sincere advocates with   
   > simplistic prepackaged science, and outspoken and dogmatic individuals.   
   >   
   More honest than IDiotic type creationists like you.  Instead of lie   
   about what they were doing they actually tried to defend their Biblical   
   beliefs.  Just look what you are doing.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
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