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|    RonO to MarkE    |
|    Re: Mapping the Origins Debate (2/2)    |
|    11 Sep 25 08:43:59    |
      [continued from previous message]              >>>>> Life" that is based on this was published in 2019. Note Bruce       >>>>> Damer's call for a new approach to OoL, and note the uncanny       >>>>> alignment with Tour, Bains, Long Story Short, etc:       >>>>>       >>>>> 4:29 “[OoL research has] been mainly focused on individual solution       >>>>> chemistry experiments where they want to show polymerization over       >>>>> here, or they want to show metabolism over here, and Dave and I       >>>>> believe that it's time for the field to go from incremental       >>>>> progress to substantial progress. So, these are the four points       >>>>> we've come up with to make substantial progress in the origin of       >>>>> life, and the first one is to employ something called system       >>>>> chemistry, having sufficient complexity so instead of one       >>>>> experiment say about proteins, now you have an experiment about the       >>>>> encapsulation of proteins for example, and informational molecules       >>>>> built from nucleotides in an environment that would say be like an       >>>>> analog of the early Earth, build a complex experiment. Something       >>>>> we're calling sufficient complexity, and all of these experiments       >>>>> have to move the reactions away from equilibrium. And what do we       >>>>> mean by that? Well, in in your high school chemistry experiments,       >>>>> something starts foaming something changes color and then the       >>>>> experiment winds down and stops. Well, life didn't get started that       >>>>> way. Life got started by a continuous run-up of complexity and       >>>>> building upon in a sense nature as a ratchet. So we have to figure       >>>>> out how to build experiments that move will move away from       >>>>> equilibrium…”       >>>>>       >>>>> 6:31 “You can't sit in a laboratory just using glassware. You have       >>>>> to go to the field. You have to go to hot springs, you have to go       >>>>> to […] Iceland and come check and sit down and see what the natural       >>>>> environment is like, rather than being in the ethereal world of       >>>>> pure reactants and things like that…”       >>>>>       >>>>>       >>>>       >>>       >>       >              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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