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   Message 141,512 of 142,579   
   RonO to RonO   
   Re: Gish Gallop Icons of creationist den   
   15 Sep 25 10:38:34   
   
   [continued from previous message]   
      
   The ID perps have been putting up junk claims about Jonathan Wells after   
   his death.  He is supposed to have been the Newton of the ID creationist   
   scam.   
      
   https://scienceandculture.com/2025/09/evolutions-stubborn-icons-   
   eppered-moths-and-miller-urey-still-shambling-along/   
      
   The saddest thing about the moth example of Wells regurgitating the   
   Icons of scientific creationist science denial is that the Wellsian lie   
   about "no moths on tree trunks" got incorporated from his book into the   
   Ohio model lesson plan for teaching the ID perp's obfuscation and denial   
   switch scam in the Ohio public schools.  The initial drafts had that   
   lie, but the section was rewritten instead of deleted.  When the   
   obfuscation and denial had to be supported by a lie the whole section   
   should have been deleted.  Wells knew that he was lying in the book   
   because it was pointed out that a reference that Wells used had found   
   10% of the moths in trees on the trunk.  When you consider the surface   
   area of the trunk compared to the rest of the tree (leaves have two   
   surfaces) 10% was likely more than they expected to have found by chance   
   association.  My guess is that the number was inflated because it was   
   easier to find moths on the tree trunks than other parts of the tree.   
   The Wellsian lie was defended on the ARN discussion board as an   
   "exaggeration" as if fictional Vulcan logic could defend the ID   
   creationist scam artists.   
      
   The moths are just examples of natural selection in action.  It doesn't   
   matter that Gish used to claim that they were still moths.  Humans are   
   still apes, apes are still mammals, mammals are still amniotes, amniotes   
   are still tetrapod vertebrates etc.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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