From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   On 9/15/2025 10:38 AM, RonO wrote:   
   > On 7/19/2025 12:46 PM, RonO wrote:   
   >> I Googled the topics and added Duane Gish.  It just demonstrates that   
   >> Wells' Icons were all well used creationist denial Icons.   
   >>   
   >> Wells' icons   
   >> 1    Miller–Urey experiment   
   >> 2    Darwin's tree of life   
   >> 3    Homology in vertebrate limbs   
   >> 4    Haeckel's embryos   
   >> 5    Archaeopteryx   
   >> 6    Peppered moth   
   >> 7    Darwin's finches   
   >> 8    Four-winged fruit flies   
   >> 9    Fossil horses   
   >> 10    Hominid evolution   
   >>   
   >> I tried homology first because Gish's denial was multi level and   
   >> included, claims of a drosophila experiment to deny vertebrate   
   >> homology.   Google does note this argument, but does not note that   
   >> Gish's evidence was for suspected genes associated with drosophila   
   >> eyes and not for vertebrate limbs depicted in his homology slide.  The   
   >> quote that he put up came from someone talking about a drosophila   
   >> experiment that occurred years before any actual genes had been   
   >> identified as being responsible for drosophila eyes.  It would have   
   >> been a shift within species and did not have much to do with   
   >> homologous structures.  There is no reason why the genes responsible   
   >> for the development of homologous structures cannot be swapped out or   
   >> changed over time.  Any changes just have to work within what is   
   >> already working.   
   >>   
   >> QUOTE from below:   
   >> "Unproven" Genetic Basis: Gish also questioned the genetic basis of   
   >> homology, suggesting that similar genes for reptile legs and bird   
   >> wings should be present if they evolved from an ancestral leg, but   
   >> that evidence presented by evolutionists doesn't consistently support   
   >> this.   
   >> END QUOTE:   
   >>   
   >> Homology in vertebrate limbs and Duane Gish   
   >>   
   >> •    Definition: Homology refers to the similarity in anatomical   
   >> structures, physiology, or development of different species due to   
   >> descent from a common evolutionary ancestor.   
   >> •    Vertebrate Forelimbs as an Example: The classic example of   
   >> homology is the forelimbs of vertebrates, such as the human arm, bird   
   >> wing, and whale flipper. Despite their different functions (grasping,   
   >> flying, swimming), they are all composed of similar bones – the   
   >> humerus, radius, and ulna – arranged in a comparable pattern. This   
   >> underlying similarity, despite functional divergence, is explained by   
   >> the idea that these structures were inherited from a common ancestor   
   >> who had a similar limb structure, which was then modified over time   
   >> through evolution to suit different purposes.   
   >> •    Evidence for Evolution: Homologous structures like the vertebrate   
   >> forelimb provide strong evidence for the theory of evolution and   
   >> common ancestry. They suggest that diverse species have evolved from a   
   >> common ancestor, adapting the inherited structures to their specific   
   >> environments and functions.   
   >> •    The Pentadactyl Limb: The presence of a pentadactyl limb (five-   
   >> fingered limb) in various vertebrates, including humans, bats, and   
   >> whales, further strengthens the argument for common descent. Even   
   >> though their limbs serve different purposes, the shared basic   
   >> structure points towards a common ancestor with a similar limb design.   
   >> Duane Gish's arguments and criticism   
   >> •    Duane Gish was a prominent creationist who engaged in debates   
   >> against the theory of evolution.   
   >> •    Gish's Arguments Against Homology:   
   >> o    Lack of direct evidence: Gish and other creationists argued that   
   >> homology does not prove evolution, as nobody has witnessed the gradual   
   >> changes in millions of generations from a common ancestor to a bird or   
   >> a human.   
   >> o    Alternative Explanation: They suggested that similarities could   
   >> be explained by a "common design" by a creator, where similar   
   >> structures are used to solve similar functional problems.   
   >> o    "Unproven" Genetic Basis: Gish also questioned the genetic basis   
   >> of homology, suggesting that similar genes for reptile legs and bird   
   >> wings should be present if they evolved from an ancestral leg, but   
   >> that evidence presented by evolutionists doesn't consistently support   
   >> this.   
   >> o    "Gish Gallop": Gish was known for using a debating tactic called   
   >> the "Gish Gallop," where he would present a large number of arguments,   
   >> some accurate and some inaccurate or misleading, in a short time   
   >> frame, making it difficult for his opponents to address them all   
   >> comprehensively.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> 1    Miller–Urey experiment   
   >> Google   
   >> Duane Gish   
   >> Duane Gish (1921-2013) was an American biochemist and a prominent   
   >> advocate of young Earth creationism. He served as a Vice President of   
   >> the Institute for Creation Research (ICR) and was known for his   
   >> numerous publications and debates arguing against evolutionary theory.   
   >> Gish's arguments against the Miller-Urey experiment   
   >> Gish and other creationists used the perceived shortcomings of the   
      
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