From: 69jpil69@gmail.com   
      
   On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 17:21:57 -0400, JTEM  wrote:   
      
   >On 10/7/25 11:47 PM, jillery wrote:   
   >   
   >> That's right.  Anything is cheap when other people pay for it.  Coal   
   >> is cheap for China because its actual costs are borne by individual   
   >> Chinese and distributed across the rest of the world.   
      
      
      
   >>All hail Gwobull Warbling!   
      
      
   I commend you for no longer using that nonsense phrase, although your   
   comments below still ignore the impact to global warming from using   
   fossil fuels of all kinds.   
      
      
   >Coal is cheap, seriously cheap because it's a ready made fuel. You   
   >can pretty much just dig it out of the ground & burn it, though   
   >there's usually some processing involved.   
   >   
   >You don't want really huge chunks, and I believe they like to   
   >clean it so you don't choke up the furnaces too badly...   
      
      
   You misunderstand.  The phrase "clean coal" doesn't refer to the coal   
   itself, but instead refers to the several processes used to remove the   
   polluting soot and fumes from the exhaust gases, up to and including   
   carbon capture and storage, all which add significantly to the cost of   
   using coal:   
      
      
      
      
   >Probably the single biggest cost of coal is in transporting it to   
   >where ever it's being burned.   
   >   
   >It's incredibly cheap, coal. The PRICE is artificially here, here   
   >in the west, but the cost if extremely low.   
   >   
   >We also have more energy in coal than the #1 and #2 countries with   
   >the largest "Proven" oil reserves. This is even true if we accept   
   >the lie that they have those oil reserves, which they don't.   
   >   
   >Venezuela, Canada... those huge "Proven reserves" numbers are   
   >bitumen, tar. It has a significantly higher energy/cost overhead   
   >than coal, oil or natural gas, so it can never be a one-to-one   
   >conversion.   
      
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