From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   On 10/11/2025 9:29 PM, JTEM wrote:   
   > On 10/11/25 3:27 PM, RonO wrote:   
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   >> The B3.13 virus did kill off a lot of wild birds and even penquins got   
   >> infected in South America   
   >   
   > So where was the pandemic?   
      
   What a nut job.  There never was a pandemic.  It was always just a dairy   
   epidemic that was spilling over to poultry and captive and domestic   
   cats.  Possibly around 1,000 dairy workers and poultry workers were also   
   infected, but testing and contact tracing was never implemented, but   
   what was done indicated that at least 10% of the dairy workers   
   (including veterinarians in contact with infected cattle) were infected.   
     Nearly all the cats died or were euthanized when the virus infected   
   their brains, but humans showed only minor symptoms to B3.13, but one   
   person died of infection with D1.1 and two others went into intensive care.   
      
   The fear was that the virus would mutate and become more pathogenic in   
   humans.  That happened in several cases of D1.1 infection.  The patient   
   that died had a virus that had mutated to better infect humans and the   
   patient that survived but at one time was in critical condition also had   
   a virus with the same two mutations that allowed the virus to better   
   infect humans.  The claim is that those mutations occurred during their   
   infection because the wild birds in the area were infected by D1.1   
   without those mutations.  The mutations did not happen with the B3.13   
   virus as far as we know.   
      
   At one time (after the same two mutations were found in the two severe   
   human D1.1 cases thousands of miles apart) the CDC claimed that they   
   were going to start dairy worker testing in order to detect infected   
   dairy workers and treat them with antivirals so that the human   
   infectious mutations had less of a chance of evolving, but nothing ever   
   got started.   
      
   >   
   > You're not constantly -- incessantly -- pissing your pants over some   
   > virus because you're worried about penguins. Don't be a pussy here   
   > and pretend otherwise. So...   
      
   What a nut job.  It has always been a case where the CDC and USDA were   
   not doing their jobs in preventing the next pandemic, and protecting   
   farm animals.   
      
   >   
   > Where's the pandemic?   
   >   
   > It's a natural virus, it actually exists and it's in chickens, eggs,   
   > beef, milk and even cat food!  So, why isn't half of Mexico dead?   
      
   Because it is avian influenza and is not adapted to infecting mammals.   
   The dairy epidemic just exposed humans to more infections, and a greater   
   chance that a pandemic causing virus might evolve.  Because it was an   
   avian influenza infected dairy workers were able to infect neighboring   
   poultry farms where they also worked at.  Human influenza A (though it   
   evolved from avian influenza) has adapted to infecting mammals, so   
   poultry farms are safe from being infected by humans with influenza A,   
   but poultry farms can be infected by the dairy virus.   
      
   >   
   > How could Mexico NOT slaughter their chickens, double even triple or   
   > more the price of eggs, and yet still miraculously survive this   
   > terror inducing virus?   
      
   Mexico does not have infected dairies, so the neighboring poultry farms   
   were never infected.   
      
   >   
   > And how does it survive cooking?   
      
   What a nut job, no one ever claimed that it survived cooking.  It has   
   always been claimed that pasteurization and cooking would kill the virus   
   since infected dairy cattle were found at slaughter houses.  The claim   
   was that infected meat did not enter the food supply, but that cooking   
   would have killed the virus if it had gotten into the food supply.  This   
   did not help the big cats at the animal preserve that were fed raw meat   
   and were infected by the dairy virus.   
      
   >   
   > Talk about that. Like any religious fundy, you have no problem   
   > ignoring facts like.. like.. like the fact that your narrative is   
   > completely batshit crazy...   
      
   Why keep projecting your own stupid behavior onto someone else.  There   
   is no reason to keep lying about this.   
      
   >   
   > "It's in cat food!  It survives cooking!  That's why there's no   
   > pandemic!"   
      
   It was found in the raw cat food, so why keep lying about it surviving   
   cooking?   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
      
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