From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   On 10/21/2025 10:20 AM, Pro Plyd wrote:   
   > RonO wrote:   
   >> On 10/18/2025 4:48 AM, jillery wrote:   
   >>> On Fri, 17 Oct 2025 19:59:15 -0600, Pro Plyd   
   >>>> jillery wrote:   
   >>>>> On Thu, 16 Oct 2025 22:54:09 +0100, Ernest Major   
   >>>>>> On 16/10/2025 19:24, RonO wrote:   
   >>>>>>> Early in the ID scam I recall that Behe and Phillip Johnson were   
   >>>>>>> supposed to have had ties to Christian reconstructionist groups, but   
   >>>>>>> that association is no longer mentioned, though Phillip Johnson was   
   >>>>>>> supposed to be instrumental in securing funding from Ahmanson   
   >>>>>>> (noted to   
   >>>>>>> be associated with Christian reconstruction).   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Behe is a Catholic. One would not expect Catholics to have ties to   
   >>>>>> Reconstructionist groups. One rather would expect them to be   
   >>>>>> opposed to   
   >>>>>> Reconstructionism.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> An irony is Kenneth R. Miller also identifies as Catholic, yet is a   
   >>>>> vocal and voluminous critic of ID and Michael Behe's Irreducible   
   >>>>> Complexity.   
   >>>> But apparently not practicing catholics?   
   >>>   
   >>> Not clear what your question means.  My understanding is in the U.S.   
   >>> there is a schism among members similar to a schism in the general   
   >>> population, between political/social conservatives and progressives.   
   >>> How an individual identifies depends on the specific Church teachings   
   >>> they prioritize.  Based on what I have read what Behe and Miller have   
   >>> written, I would guess Miller is more progressive, while Behe is more   
   >>> conservative.   
   >>   
   >> Both claim to attend Mass regularly.  I recall one of the ID   
   >> documentaries had a video clip of Miller taking Communion.   
   >   
   > Ah. Was curious if it was catholic-in-name-only, like just   
   > listing a religious preference on a form but not actually   
   > practicing. The church and pope had some time ago moved   
   > to neutral ground as regards to evolution etc   
   >   
   Both Behe and Miller accept biological evolution as a fact of nature,   
   but Miller understands that the ID scam was never science, and has been   
   against it for that reason from the start.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
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