From: 69jpil69@gmail.com   
      
   On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 09:20:12 -0600, Pro Plyd   
    wrote:   
      
   >RonO wrote:   
   >> On 10/18/2025 4:48 AM, jillery wrote:   
   >>> On Fri, 17 Oct 2025 19:59:15 -0600, Pro Plyd   
   >>>> jillery wrote:   
   >>>>> On Thu, 16 Oct 2025 22:54:09 +0100, Ernest Major   
   >>>>>> On 16/10/2025 19:24, RonO wrote:   
   >>>>>>> Early in the ID scam I recall that Behe and Phillip Johnson were   
   >>>>>>> supposed to have had ties to Christian reconstructionist groups, but   
   >>>>>>> that association is no longer mentioned, though Phillip Johnson was   
   >>>>>>> supposed to be instrumental in securing funding from Ahmanson    
   >>>>>>> (noted to   
   >>>>>>> be associated with Christian reconstruction).   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Behe is a Catholic. One would not expect Catholics to have ties to   
   >>>>>> Reconstructionist groups. One rather would expect them to be    
   >>>>>> opposed to   
   >>>>>> Reconstructionism.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> An irony is Kenneth R. Miller also identifies as Catholic, yet is a   
   >>>>> vocal and voluminous critic of ID and Michael Behe's Irreducible   
   >>>>> Complexity.   
   >>>> But apparently not practicing catholics?   
   >>>   
   >>> Not clear what your question means.  My understanding is in the U.S.   
   >>> there is a schism among members similar to a schism in the general   
   >>> population, between political/social conservatives and progressives.   
   >>> How an individual identifies depends on the specific Church teachings   
   >>> they prioritize.  Based on what I have read what Behe and Miller have   
   >>> written, I would guess Miller is more progressive, while Behe is more   
   >>> conservative.   
   >>    
   >> Both claim to attend Mass regularly.  I recall one of the ID    
   >> documentaries had a video clip of Miller taking Communion.   
   >   
   >Ah. Was curious if it was catholic-in-name-only, like just   
   >listing a religious preference on a form but not actually   
   >practicing. The church and pope had some time ago moved   
   >to neutral ground as regards to evolution etc   
      
      
   IIUC you refer to what some people call cafeteria Catholics, where   
   people pick and choose what teachings they follow.  My understanding   
   is everybody does that, both Catholics and non-Catholics, and such   
   behavior doesn't disqualify them from being Catholic.  Of course, some   
   people have a different understanding, especially regarding abortion.   
   My understanding is other people don't have a say how individuals   
   self-identify.   
      
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