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|    RonO to John Harshman    |
|    Re: Dinos with hooves (2/2)    |
|    29 Oct 25 18:42:41    |
      [continued from previous message]              >>> knowledge miacids are not hooved; viverravids are not hooved;       >>> oxyaenids are not hooved; hyaenodonts are not hooved; pangolins are       >>> not hooved; and pantolestids are not hooved.) The consensus date for       >>> Ferae is 65 million years ago. Wikipedia gives a date for 73-85       >>> million years for Scrotifera, but the relevant nodes, depending on       >>> topology, are Zooamata or Ferungulata, which are younger.       >>>       >>> As support for hooves as a convergent trait, not all mesonychians       >>> (which are stem artiodactyls) possessed hooves. However there is       >>> dispute whether the hoofless mesonychians (arctocyonids) are stem-       >>> artiodactyls.       >>       >> The whole problem with these claims is that they did not know that the       >> dinos had hooves until they found the mummies.       >       > Not true. What makes you think that?              Because that was the claim. When has anyone claimed that some dinos had       hooves before this study? I can't recall any such claims.              >       >> They had been assuming claws for centuries. How do you know that the       >> mammalian taxa had claws instead of hooves? Even the ancient dino       >> footprints did not differentiate claws from hooves.       >       > I think you're confusing some different taxa of dinosaurs here.       >              They have claimed to have identified duck billed dino tracks for quite a       while, and no one noticed that they had hooved toes.              Ron Okimoto              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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