From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   On 11/4/2025 11:02 AM, sticks wrote:   
   > On 11/4/2025 10:44 AM, sticks wrote:   
   >> On 11/4/2025 9:36 AM, RonO wrote:   
   >>> I asked Google: "Is there any legitimate scientific support for the   
   >>> Discovery Institute's alleged intelligent design science?"   
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   >>> The Google response was short and concise.   
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   >> I have been following this group and am beginning to get a better   
   >> handle on it.  Before I spend any time debating your point of view, I   
   >> would simply give you a link to another AI that is a little more   
   >> balanced, and less biased by "consensus", in its answer.   
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   > Sorry, forgot the link   
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   Grok seems to have the same limitation as ChatGPT.  It takes dishonest   
   scam propaganda at face value and just regurgitates it back.  In this   
   regard it is worse than Wiki.   
      
   My guess is that there likely aren't any religious or political issues   
   that you could trust Grok to produce an honest summary of the issue.   
      
   The ID scam came to TO in the 1990's as something that Biblical   
   creationist wanted to teach in the public schools.  The ID scam unit at   
   the Discovery Unit has never stopped claiming to be able to teach the   
   junk in the public schools.  They started claiming that they did not   
   want it "required" to be taught after their loss in Dover, but they   
   still claimed that judges decision was wrong, and that even though ID   
   was found to be no science worth teaching, that ID could still be taught   
   outside of the middle federal court district of PA.  They have run the   
   bait and switch scam 100% of the time since they started in Ohio in   
   2002.  They use ID as bait, but only give the rubes their obfuscation   
   and denial switch scam, and they tell the rubes that the switch scam has   
   nothing to do with ID nor creationism.  Nearly all the creationist rubes   
   that took the bait did not bend over for the switch scam, and of those   
   that did like Louisiana and Texas they have had the bait and switch run   
   on them again when they tried to use the switch scam to teach ID.  In   
   2013 both Louisiana and Texas tried use the switch scam to teach ID in   
   their public schools and both states claimed that they were not   
   "requiring" ID to be taught.  They were just allowing teachers to teach   
   it if they wanted to, but the ID perps ran the bait and switch on them   
   again anyway.  The ID perps reminded the creationist rubes that the   
   switch scam had nothing to do with ID.  The ID perps got caught lying   
   about not "requiring" ID to be taught and they deleted that paragraph   
   from their education policy at that time.  They kept things like that   
   for several years until they started to lie about not "requiring" ID to   
   be taught in a rewrite of their education policy.  The bait and switch   
   still goes down no matter how they word their education policy.   
      
   The ID perps were determined to be lying about having the ID science in   
   Federal court (2005), not a single creationist rube has ever gotten the   
   promised ID science to teach since the bait and switch started to go   
   down in 2002 and Grok can still put out a pedia entry like it did.   
   There has never been any ID science worth teaching in the public   
   schools, and the only time that the ID perps tried to defend their   
   worthless junk, they failed to demonstrate that they had any ID science   
   worth calling science.  Half the ID perps ran instead of testify in   
   federal court after the name change from creationism to intelligent   
   design in Of Pandas and People was exposed during Forrest's deposition.   
   They ran at a time when the creationists could not add more expert   
   witnesses.  Dembski was editing the next edition of Pandas, and Meyer   
   had written the teachers notes for Of Pandas and People.   
      
   The saddest thing about Dover was that the ID perps ran the bait and   
   switch on the Dover creationist rubes, but the Dover rubes were too   
   stupid and ignorant to know that it was the Discovery Institute that was   
   running the teach ID scam, and the Dover rubes disregarded the bait and   
   switch attempt and tried to teach the worthless junk anyway.  The bait   
   and switch had been going down 100% of the time for around 3 years, and   
   the Discovery Institute was actually paying someone to run the bait and   
   switch scam by that time.   
      
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_District   
      
   QUOTE:   
   This story made the York newspapers, and Buckingham was telephoned by   
   Discovery Institute staff attorney Seth Cooper, whose tasks included   
   "communicating with legislators, school board members, teachers, parents   
   and students" to "address the topic of ID in a scientifically and   
   educationally responsible way" in public schools. He later stated that   
   he made the call to "steer the Dover Board away from trying to include   
   intelligent design in the classroom or from trying to insert creationism   
   into its cirriculum [sic]", an account Buckingham has disputed. Cooper   
      
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