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   Message 141,764 of 142,579   
   Vincent Maycock to RonO   
   Re: James Watson has died (2/2)   
   09 Nov 25 15:12:53   
   
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   >> as good as whites at managing and leading a team effectively, contrary   
   >> to what used to be popular belief.   
   >>   
   >>> My take is that once Africa gets it's act together and implements a good   
   >>> universal education program coupled with decent nutrition that the world   
   >>> will benefit from the brain power that gets uncovered.   
   >>   
   >> True, but it's doubtful that the entire two-standard deviation   
   >> difference between Africans and American whites can be eliminated by   
   >> environmental factors such as nutrition and education.   
   >   
   >There are likely other cultural factors involved.  Neither of my parents   
   >went to college.  Higher education was never discussed in our house.  I   
   >had gotten to know my brother's Fifth grade teacher that had an interest   
   >in nature like I did, and I would spend time in his classroom because he   
   >had all kinds of taxidermy and some live animals.  He told me that I   
   >could become a biologist, and that they paid people to do that type of   
   >thing, but I had to go to college.  College seemed so impossible that I   
   >gave up on the notion, but my parents did not.  A few years later they   
   >told all their children that College was a possiblity.  At the time I   
   >was not a very good student, and I was in classes like remedial English   
   >in Junior High School, but when I entered High School my class counselor   
   >told me that I had to get good grades to get into College.  Since I had   
   >done so poorly in Junior High school they put me in the C level classes   
   >(there were A, B, and C level classes for the basic education classes).   
   >My C level English instructor thought that I shouldn't be in his class   
   >because I was doing A level work.  He checked my file and told me that   
   >my IQ level meant that I should be in the gifted program at the High   
   >School.  He got me transferred to all A level classes.   
   >   
   >I eventually got accepted to UC Berkeley and started my science career   
   >in their undergraduate research program.   
   >   
   >You also have examples like Watson with significant African genetics.   
   >If you check the the population genetics of African Americans, a lot of   
   >them that can be identified as African Americans are not very African.   
   >The Average African American has over 25% non African genetics.  A 23   
   >and Me study on self identified African Americans (around 100   
   >individuals out of 6500) had less than 2% African genetics.  They were   
   >98% out of Africa genetics.  The 23 and Me mean African genetics (73%)   
   >was close to the 1000 genome estimate of the African Americans used in   
   >that population.   
   >   
   >Have African Americans just inherited all the wrong out of Africa   
   >genetics, and guys like Watson just happened to inherit some good   
   >African Genetics?   
      
   Yeah, there was a lot of white/black admixture among the Africans who   
   were brought over from Africa and enslaved, as should be evident by   
   just looking at African blacks and African-American blacks.   And   
   although the *average* black IQ among African Americans is depressed   
   by one standard deviation relative to American whites, *individual*   
   blacks can rise to eminence in cognitively demanding fields despite   
   this statistical trend.   
      
   >Ron Okimoto   
   >   
   >>   
   >>> Ron Okimoto   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Imagine what Watson might have accomplished if some grandfather or   
   >>>>> something hadn't picked up those awful African alleles.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> (full disclosure:  it's a joke, of course.  I don't want to be stripped   
   >>>>> of my Nobel prize.)   
   >>>>   
   >>   
      
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