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   >> 23rd, 4004 BC. in the 17th century.   
   >>   
   >> Probably none of the church fathers were flat earth creationists even   
   >> though a lot of early Christians wanted the earth to be flat, but the   
   >> literal stupidity had a resurgence in response to Darwin publishing the   
   >> Origin of Species.   
   >   
   > "That Medieval Christians Taught that the Earth was Flat" is Myth #3   
   > in  Ronald Numbers book 'Galileo Goes to Jail and Other Myths About   
   > Science and Religion'. That's a book you really should read before   
   > making any more stupid statements about science and religion.   
      
   It probably is a myth, but there were still flat earth creationists that   
   did not agree with the church fathers, and as I noted flat earth   
   Biblical creationists still exist today because of what is written in   
   the Bible.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
   >   
   >> Biblical flat earth creationists still exit today.   
   >> That is just another fact of history.   
   >>   
   >> Right now the Reason To Believe OEC claim that they are trying to   
   >> properly reinterpret the Bible by using scientific observations in order   
   >> to create their Biblical creation model, but it looks like they have   
   >> failed to be able to reinterpret the Bible in any viable way.  They used   
   >> to claim to be intelligent design advocates, but since the Top Six came   
   >> out (eight years ago) they quit making that claim.  The Top Six was not   
   >> consistent with the creation model that they had worked up, and their   
   >> reinterpretations were not believable.   
   >>   
   >> They know that the Biblical order of creation of life is not correct,   
   >> and they want to claim that the creation just isn't told in it's actual   
   >> order, but the only thing that makes them think that is because we have   
   >> figured out a different order of creation.  They have no Biblical reason   
   >> for changing the order.  They have made up some stupid story that has no   
   >> basis in reality that the sun and moon were not created during the 4th   
   >> period of time even though the Bible claims that they were "made" during   
   >> the 4th day or period of time.  The word "made" or "make" was used to   
   >> describe the creation of the sun and moon.  They want to claim that the   
   >> sun and moon were only made visible (the Bible left out visible) at that   
   >> time.  They propose, without any evidence that it could be true, that   
   >> there was a vapor shroud around the earth for billions of years so that   
   >> the sun and moon could not be seen from the surface of the earth, but   
   >> that would have never mattered to the Biblical designer.  It likely   
   >> would have been a catastrophe for the land plants that had been created   
   >> before the 4th period of time.  How much light could get through a vapor   
   >> shroud so thick and dense that it could be stable for billions of years   
   >> before being poofed out of existence?  That is how far they have to go   
   >> in order to change the way that they read the Bible.   
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   >> Ron Okimoto   
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