From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   On 11/14/2025 9:26 AM, jillery wrote:   
   > On Fri, 14 Nov 2025 08:41:09 -0600, RonO    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 11/14/2025 3:04 AM, jillery wrote:   
   >>> On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 17:51:59 +0000, Martin Harran   
   >>>  wrote:   
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   >>>> On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 10:15:16 -0600, RonO    
   >>>> wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> [...]   
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   >>>>   
   >>>>> The Bible is just wrong about a lot of things.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> More accurately, the Bible is factually incorrect about a lot of   
   >>> things.   
   >>   
   >> Same thing.   
   >   
   >   
   > "Factually incorrect" is a verifiable, objective error ex. 2+2=33.   
   > "wrong" can be an opinion, ex. slavery is acceptable, or an   
   > irrelevance, ex. vegans like Beethoven.  There are many ways   
   > statements can be factually correct and wrong, or factually incorrect   
   > and truthful.   
      
   Just like I said, same thing, your opinion differs.  It doesn't matter   
   if "wrong" could be an opinion when it was not meant as an opinion.  The   
   Bible is just wrong about a lot of things.  These are factually   
   incorrect statements.  Anyone should have understood that I wasn't   
   talking about opinions like whether some god exists or not.  The Bible   
   has just been found to be wrong about a lot of things that can be   
   checked out.  These have always been the things that have had to be   
   reinterpreted or claimed to be metaphorical.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
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   >   
   >>>> No it's not - it's people who read the Bible wrong.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> The Bible begs to be read wrong.  More to the point, those who decide   
   >>> the "correct" reading of the Bible historically are the ones who read   
   >>> it wrong.   
   >>>   
   >> There are so many "factually incorrect" statements in the Bible about   
   >> nature (the creation) and a lot of them are unnecessarily included in   
   >> the "metaphorical" presentation that it makes the Bible pretty much   
   >> impossible to use as any type of narrative providing accurate depictions   
   >> of nature.   
   >>   
   >> Saint Augustine was correct that no one should use the Bible to deny   
   >> things about nature that we can figure out for ourselves.   
   >>   
   >> Ron Okimoto   
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