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   On Fri, 14 Nov 2025 11:07:29 -0600, RonO    
   wrote:   
      
   >On 11/14/2025 9:26 AM, jillery wrote:   
   >> On Fri, 14 Nov 2025 08:41:09 -0600, RonO    
   >> wrote:   
   >>    
   >>> On 11/14/2025 3:04 AM, jillery wrote:   
   >>>> On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 17:51:59 +0000, Martin Harran   
   >>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 10:15:16 -0600, RonO    
   >>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> [...]   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> The Bible is just wrong about a lot of things.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> More accurately, the Bible is factually incorrect about a lot of   
   >>>> things.   
   >>>   
   >>> Same thing.   
   >>    
   >>    
   >> "Factually incorrect" is a verifiable, objective error ex. 2+2=33.   
   >> "wrong" can be an opinion, ex. slavery is acceptable, or an   
   >> irrelevance, ex. vegans like Beethoven.  There are many ways   
   >> statements can be factually correct and wrong, or factually incorrect   
   >> and truthful.   
   >   
   >Just like I said, same thing, your opinion differs.  It doesn't matter if   
   "wrong"    
   >could be an opinion when it was not meant as an opinion.     
      
      
   Who decides when "it" was not meant as an opinion?  Who decides what   
   "it" is?   
      
      
   >The    
   >Bible is just wrong about a lot of things.  These are factually    
   >incorrect statements.  Anyone should have understood that I wasn't    
   >talking about opinions like whether some god exists or not.  The Bible    
   >has just been found to be wrong about a lot of things that can be    
   >checked out.  These have always been the things that have had to be    
   >reinterpreted or claimed to be metaphorical.   
      
      
   Consider: X says I owe X a bazillion dollars.  In fact, I owe X a   
   thousand dollars.  X's statement is factually incorrect as to the   
   precise amount.  Nevertheless, X's statement is true that I owe X   
   something.     
      
   To X, the relevant part is the fact I owe X; the amount isn't relevant   
   to X.  X might even consider a thousand dollars and a bazillion   
   dollars equivalent.  That makes X's statement entirely accurate to X.   
      
   So you say the Bible is wrong about a lot of things.  Others say what   
   you say the Bible is wrong about, isn't relevant to them.   
      
      
   >Ron Okimoto   
   >   
   >>    
   >>    
   >>>>> No it's not - it's people who read the Bible wrong.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The Bible begs to be read wrong.  More to the point, those who decide   
   >>>> the "correct" reading of the Bible historically are the ones who read   
   >>>> it wrong.   
   >>>>   
   >>> There are so many "factually incorrect" statements in the Bible about   
   >>> nature (the creation) and a lot of them are unnecessarily included in   
   >>> the "metaphorical" presentation that it makes the Bible pretty much   
   >>> impossible to use as any type of narrative providing accurate depictions   
   >>> of nature.   
   >>>   
   >>> Saint Augustine was correct that no one should use the Bible to deny   
   >>> things about nature that we can figure out for ourselves.   
   >>>   
   >>> Ron Okimoto   
   >>    
      
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