From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   On 11/15/2025 3:32 AM, jillery wrote:   
   > On Fri, 14 Nov 2025 11:07:29 -0600, RonO    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 11/14/2025 9:26 AM, jillery wrote:   
   >>> On Fri, 14 Nov 2025 08:41:09 -0600, RonO    
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 11/14/2025 3:04 AM, jillery wrote:   
   >>>>> On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 17:51:59 +0000, Martin Harran   
   >>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 10:15:16 -0600, RonO    
   >>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> [...]   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> The Bible is just wrong about a lot of things.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> More accurately, the Bible is factually incorrect about a lot of   
   >>>>> things.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Same thing.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> "Factually incorrect" is a verifiable, objective error ex. 2+2=33.   
   >>> "wrong" can be an opinion, ex. slavery is acceptable, or an   
   >>> irrelevance, ex. vegans like Beethoven.  There are many ways   
   >>> statements can be factually correct and wrong, or factually incorrect   
   >>> and truthful.   
   >>   
   >> Just like I said, same thing, your opinion differs.  It doesn't matter if   
   "wrong"   
   >> could be an opinion when it was not meant as an opinion.   
   >   
   >   
   > Who decides when "it" was not meant as an opinion?  Who decides what   
   > "it" is?   
      
   The author, obviously.  What examples have I always put up as the Bible   
   being wrong about?  None of them were opinions.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >> The   
   >> Bible is just wrong about a lot of things.  These are factually   
   >> incorrect statements.  Anyone should have understood that I wasn't   
   >> talking about opinions like whether some god exists or not.  The Bible   
   >> has just been found to be wrong about a lot of things that can be   
   >> checked out.  These have always been the things that have had to be   
   >> reinterpreted or claimed to be metaphorical.   
   >   
   >   
   > Consider: X says I owe X a bazillion dollars.  In fact, I owe X a   
   > thousand dollars.  X's statement is factually incorrect as to the   
   > precise amount.  Nevertheless, X's statement is true that I owe X   
   > something.   
      
   Consider the context, and what I have always claimed.  Your example is   
   off base.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
   >   
   > To X, the relevant part is the fact I owe X; the amount isn't relevant   
   > to X.  X might even consider a thousand dollars and a bazillion   
   > dollars equivalent.  That makes X's statement entirely accurate to X.   
   >   
   > So you say the Bible is wrong about a lot of things.  Others say what   
   > you say the Bible is wrong about, isn't relevant to them.   
   >   
   >   
   >> Ron Okimoto   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>>> No it's not - it's people who read the Bible wrong.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> The Bible begs to be read wrong.  More to the point, those who decide   
   >>>>> the "correct" reading of the Bible historically are the ones who read   
   >>>>> it wrong.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>> There are so many "factually incorrect" statements in the Bible about   
   >>>> nature (the creation) and a lot of them are unnecessarily included in   
   >>>> the "metaphorical" presentation that it makes the Bible pretty much   
   >>>> impossible to use as any type of narrative providing accurate depictions   
   >>>> of nature.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Saint Augustine was correct that no one should use the Bible to deny   
   >>>> things about nature that we can figure out for ourselves.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Ron Okimoto   
   >>>   
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