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   >> understand Catholic theology better than the Church's own theologians   
   >> and you understand history better than some of the most highly   
   >> regarded historians and as far as you are concerned, nothing is going   
   >> to change your damned mind.   
   >>   
   >You should just stop lying about the issue and accept reality.   
   >Christianity has been wrong about a lot of things about nature.  There   
   >are still flat earth creationists and some of them are Catholics, there   
   >are still geocentric creationists and some of them are Catholics.  I   
   >don't know if anyone still believes in the Biblical firmament, but   
   >Kepler was likely the last one messing with the issue when he came up   
   >with eliptical orbits and gave up on his notion of crystal spheres.   
   >There are still young earth creationists and some of them are Catholics.   
   >  Behe is a Catholic ID  perp.  Most of the other ID perps are not   
   >Catholic, but Christians of one stripe or another.  Even Denton   
   >eventually admitted to being raised Anglican, and that he was probably   
   >still a Christian.  He published his deistic views in his second book at   
   >the turn of the Century, and none of the other ID perps supported his   
   >beliefs.  Denton quit the ID scam and missed the other ID perps starting   
   >the bait and switch.  Denton did come back to support the bait and   
   >switch effort, and published 5 or 6 other deistic books that no one ever   
   >hears about because they are not supported by the other ID perps.   
   >Denton has pretty much given up on all the creationist denial.  He just   
   >claims that his designer set things up with the Big Bang and it all   
   >unfolded into what we have today.  Geocentrism is so far back in history   
   >for something that creationism should have given up on that your   
   >stupidity about the issue is just unwarranted.  The ID perps don't care.   
   >  All creationists are welcomed under their Big Tent of denial.   
   >   
   >Biblical creationists have been wrong about a lot of things for a very   
   >long time.  You should just accept that and move on.  My guess is that   
   >the majority of modern Christians are not any type of Biblical   
   >literalists, and gave up on the Bible telling them anything about the   
   >creation long ago.  The Bible was simply written by authors that did not   
   >understand what they were describing.  Even if we wrote the Bible today   
   >the Top Six should tell anyone that we can still get things wrong, and   
   >just have to wait for a better understanding of reality.   
   >   
   >Ron Okimoto   
   >   
   >> I've only stuck with this stupid argument because I find it incredibly   
   >> sad that someone so highly regarded around here for his scientific   
   >> skills should make himself look so foolish by bringing himself down to   
   >> the level of the ID'ers he fights so hard against, but the Serenity   
   >> Prayer kicks in and I accept what I cannot change.   
   >>   
      
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