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   you are doing they have to shoot themselves in the head to try to get   
   around the heresy conviction.   
      
   >   
   >>   
   >> You can't just keep refusing to deal with reality and expect anything to   
   >> change.   
   >   
   > You can't keep claiming support from "anti-geocentrists" about   
   > heliocentrism having been an actual heresy without being able to   
   > identify even one and expect people to take you seriously.   
   >   
      
   They had a whole web site to combat the geocentrists.  It had multiple   
   sections that included the relevant documents.  They cited the same   
   sources cited by the geocentrists.  They had the full Papal decree   
   removing Copernican writings from the banned list and removing   
   restrictions on publishing Copernican notions concerning telling time or   
   planetary motions, but as the geocentrists contended restrictions were   
   still in place, they were not stated in the document.  All that was   
   stated was that authors had to consult the church offices to see if what   
   they wanted to publish was right with the church.  The geocentrists   
   contended that heliocentrism remained a heresy, and that the beliefs of   
   the church fathers could not be challenged, but no one could put up any   
   documents that could support what remained restricted.  My guess is that   
   there is a document with the continued restrictions, otherwise, the   
   decree would not have mentioned that they existed.  I doubt that it   
   would have been transmitted verbally to the church offices.   
      
   You just got the Council of Trent quote that allowed the Inquisition to   
   condemn the heresy and make heliocentrism into a formal heresy charge.   
   You ran from it, but the quote just supports both the geocentrists, the   
   anti geocentrists, and the wiki accounts.   
      
   You just need to stop lying and face reality.  The church fathers were   
   all geocentrists, and that is the way that the Inquisition wanted to   
   interpret scripture.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
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