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   On 11/21/25 8:10 AM, RonO wrote:   
   > On 11/21/2025 3:19 AM, Martin Harran wrote:   
   >> On Thu, 20 Nov 2025 20:02:04 -0600, RonO    
   >> wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On 11/20/2025 11:32 AM, Martin Harran wrote:   
   >>>> On Thu, 20 Nov 2025 09:38:56 -0600, RonO    
   >>>> wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> snip for focus #2]   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> You just need to stop lying and face reality.  The church fathers were   
   >>>>> all geocentrists, and that is the way that the Inquisition wanted to   
   >>>>> interpret scripture.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That is just another lie that you have bought from your geocentrist   
   >>>> mentor. The Church Fathers said nothing whatsoever about geocentrism   
   >>>> or heliocentrism. The Inquisition charging Galileo with heresy made no   
   >>>> reference whatsoever to the Church Fathers.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> The anti geocentrists admitted that it was true and even had the Council   
   >>> of Trent citation.  All that the Anti geocentric Catholics claimed was   
   >>> that it may have been a formal heresy when Galileo faced the charge in   
   >>> 1616, but it was not a formal heresy charge when the Pope got involved.   
   >>> The anti gencentric Catholics admitted that the Inquisition had banned   
   >>> Copernican writings and made heliocentrism into a formal heresy due to   
   >>> the Council of Trent.   
   >>>   
   >>> You got the Council of Trent quote, so you know that both sides are   
   >>> correct.   
   >>   
   >> Trying to divert from the Church Fathers to the Council of Trent does   
   >> not hide the fact that your geocentrist mentor sold you a pup about   
   >> the Fathers.   
   >>   
   >> And the reference to the Council of Trent is just another pup he sold   
   >> you – the Council too said nothing whatsoever about geocentrism or   
   >> heliocentrism.   
   >   
   > The anti geocentrists confirmed what was said about the Inquisition and   
   > the Council of Trent.  They confirmed that Galileo faced a formal heresy   
   > charge just as the source that you did not like.  You were given the   
   > anti geocentrist links last time you had to lie about this issue.   
   >   
   > Both sides agreed that heliocentrism was not a formal heresy until the   
   > Concil of Trent and their reliance on the church fathers for scriptural   
   > interpretation.  Both sides pointed to the Inquisition adding Copernican   
   > writings to the Index after the Council of Trent and starting their   
   > campaign against the heresy.  Both sides agreed with the Wiki that   
   > Galileo faced a formal heresy charge in 1615-1616.  They split when the   
   > Pope got involved the second time.  The geocentric Catholics maintained   
   > that it was still a formal heresy charge, but the anti geocentrics did   
   > not want the Pope involved with a formal heresy charge.  They claimed   
   > that the second court did not adopt the Inquisitions charges, and they   
   > noted that even though the heresy is defined in the sentencing that it   
   > was only written as a heresy and not a "formal heresy".  Even though the   
   > anti geocentrists admitted that the Pope published the Galileo case and   
   > had it desseminated through out the church in order to quash the   
   > heliocentric heresy, the anti geocentrists claimed that, that was not an   
   > official Papal act.  What is stupid is that one of the anti   
   > geocentrist's arguments was that the sentencing was poorly written and   
   > that Galileo was not found to be guilty of heresy, but of breaking his   
   > oath to the Inquisition.  The stupid thing is that Galileo would need to   
   > be guilty of the formal heresy charge in order to break that oath.   
   > Either way the Pope was involved with something that he should have   
   > never been involved with if he wanted to maintain Papal infallibility.   
   >   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> Why would the Inquistion reference the Church fathers when they   
   >>> referenced the Council of Trent when they banned the Copernican writings   
   >>> before they brought Galileo up on heresy charges?   
   >>   
   >> Because if they thought Church Fathers had supported their case for   
   >> heresy then they would most certainly have referenced it.   
   >   
   > Both sides of the issue made the claim that you can check out.  The   
   > geocentric beliefs of the Church Fathers has never been denied.  It was   
   > the reason that the Inquisition could do what they did after the council   
   > of Trent.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> It also wasn’t the Inquisition who referenced the Council of Trent, it   
   >> was the people who first complained to the Inquisition about Galileo.   
   >> Also, their reference was not to geocentrism, it was to the Council’s   
   >> general rules on the interpretation of Holy Scripture which they   
   >> claimed Galileo was offending.   
   >   
   > So what?  The Inquisition still did what they did because the Council of   
   > Trent gave them what they needed to make heliocentrism into a formal   
   > heresy.  Both sides of the Catholic issue agree with that.  The   
   > geocentrists claim that the Council of Trent's findings have never been   
   > undone, and heliocentrism continues to be heretical in terms of   
   > questioning the scriptural beliefs of the Church Fathers.  The crazy   
   > thing is that the geocentrists claim that when the Pope removed   
      
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