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   > Copernican writings from the Index in 1820 (1820 is an approximation   
   > because I recall both sides using different years but they were always   
   > in the 1820's), and released Copernicanism to be freely published for   
   > the purposes of telling time and things like planetary motion that he   
   > left restrictions on questioning the beliefs of the Church Fathers in   
   > place.  The anti geocentrists quoted the entire decree and could only   
   > say that the remaining restrictions were never stated in the document.   
   > The Pope only wrote that authors had to ask the church offices to   
   > determine if what they wanted to publish was not restricted.  Isn't that   
   > nuts?  That was nearly 2 centuries after Galileo was convicted and the   
   > church still could not admit that they were wrong about that.  It took   
   > until 1992 for the Pope to formally apologize for the mishandling of the   
   > Galileo case, and admitted that it was due to scriptural interpretation,   
   > and the improper interpretation of a scientific matter as a threat to   
   > faith.   
   >   
   >>   
   >>> You are a third party   
   >>> Catholic that is just wrong about this issue.  It is a stupid thing to   
   >>> be wrong about.  You know for a fact that Biblical creationist Catholics   
   >>> have been wrong about a lot of things.  It isn't just heliocentrism.   
   >>> There are still flat earth Catholics, young earth Catholics, geocentric   
   >>> catholics etc.  These people still exist to make your position a stupid   
   >>> one to maintain.   
   >>   
   >> What is stupid is you trying to claim that the opinions of such idiots   
   >> overrule the Church’s theologians and reputable historians.   
   >   
   > Your side of the issue is the one concentrating on ass saving instead of   
   > dealing with reality.  All your Church theologians and reputable   
   > historians should know that the Church Fathers were all geocentrists,   
   > and that should be the end of this story.  They were just wrong about   
   > what scripture told them about the world.  The Inquisition heresy issue   
   > is due to their interpretation of scripture.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> I also note that you still can’t identify even one “anti-geocentrist”   
   >> who supports you as you continuously claim.   
   >>   
   >>   
   > Why lie about getting all those links last time?  They had a whole web   
   > site and I got multiple links from that web site.  You just denied   
   > reality and ran.   
   >   
   > Look what you are still doing.   
   >   
   > Ron Okimoto   
   >   
   Although this is a reply to Ron, I'd also like to include Martin as   
   well.  I respect the opinion of both of these gentlemen in general, but   
   this conversation has been going on too long and is getting nowhere. I   
   don't believe either of you are deliberately lying or being obtuse or   
   stupid.  Let it go, please.   
      
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