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|    Kitzmiller 20 years ago    |
|    02 Dec 25 17:17:48    |
      From: rokimoto557@gmail.com              https://scienceandculture.com/2025/12/dover-days-a-fatuous-decis       on-is-about-to-turn-20-years-old/              Jonathan Witt was an English Major hired to be the chief liar for the ID       scam. I can't recall, but Witt may have been staff before he became a       fellow. After Kitzmiller Witt likely did not want to put out the bogus       propaganda any longer and they hired Casey Luskin to take his place.       Witt kept supporting the bait and switch as the only means left to push       the Wedge strategy.              In this article Witt is obviously stupidly biased about the Federal       Court decision that he knew was inevitable once the bait and switch       failed and the Dover rubes tried to teach the nonexistent ID science in       spite of the ID perps trying to run the bait and switch on the Dover       rubes. He knew that the bait and switch was going down because there       was nothing worth teaching. The Dover rubes did not bend over for the       switch scam, and they were too stupid and ignorant to understand that       the ID perps were the ones that had been selling the teach ID scam for       nearly a decade. The bait and switch had gone down on every single       creationist rube legislator or school board that had wanted to teach ID       in their public schools for more than 3 years by the time Kitzmiller       happened. The very first bait and switch scam run on the Ohio rubes in       2002 left no doubt among the Ohio creationist rubes that ID wasn't any       science that could be taught in the public schools. Instead the Ohio       rubes bent over for the obfuscation and denial switch scam that the ID       perps told them had nothing to do with ID nor creationism, but the       obfuscation and denial was just the same junk that the scientific       creationists had used to obfuscate and deny the science. The switch       scam just did not mention the religious reason for the obfuscation and       denial. One of the Ohio board members still wanted to teach creationism       in the Ohio public schools so he put up the proposal that the definition       of science that was in the Ohio public school science standards should       be changed so that ID could be taught as science. The board member       understood that ID was not science, but he wanted to teach it anyway.       Nelson (one of the founding ID perps) started admitting that the ID       science had never existed, but that the ID perps were working on       creating something worth calling science. So even the ID perps       understood that what they had was not worth teaching as science.              That is the background that should be considered when reading this       article. Witt understands that the bait and switch has been going down       for over 23 years because he wrote some of the teach ID scam propaganda       before the bait and switch started to go down.              It should also be noted that Phillip Johnson (the other ID perps still       call Johnson the godfather of the ID scam) went into court claiming that       ID would prevail and be taught in the Dover public schools, but after       sitting in court every day of testimony he changed his mind and admitted       that the ID science had never existed. Why isn't that admission in       agreement with the judges decision considered by Witt?              https://web.archive.org/web/20070609171527/http:/sciencereview.b       rkeley.edu/articles/issue10/evolution.pdf              Johnson quotes:              QUOTE:       I also don’t think that there is really a theory of intelligent design       at the present time to propose as a comparable alternative to the       Darwinian theory, which is, whatever errors it might contain, a fully       worked out scheme. There is no intelligent design theory that’s       comparable. Working out a positive theory is the job of the scientific       people that we have affiliated with the movement. Some of them are quite       convinced that it’s doable, but that’s for them to prove...No product is       ready for competition in the educational world.       END QUOTE:              QUOTE:        For his part, Johnson agrees: “I think the fat lady has sung for any       efforts to change the approach in the public schools...the courts are       just not going to allow it. They never have. The efforts to change       things in the public schools generate more powerful opposition than       accomplish anything...I don’t think that means the end of the issue at       all.”        “In some respects,” he later goes on, “I’m almost relieved, and       glad. I think the issue is properly settled. It’s clear to me now that       the public schools are not going to change their line in my lifetime.       That isn’t to me where the action really is and ought to be.”       END QUOTE:              The Johnson quotes should be the end of the discussion for the ID perps       that continue two want to keep the ID creationist bait and switch scam       going. The ID perps are not running the bait and switch on the science       side, but their own creationist support base is always the victim of       their using ID as bait.              Ron Okimoto              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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