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   Kerr-Mudd, John to JTEM   
   Re: Neanderthals were modern humans Re:    
   05 Dec 25 11:48:53   
   
   From: admin@127.0.0.1   
      
   On Fri, 5 Dec 2025 01:02:13 -0500   
   JTEM  wrote:   
      
   >   RonO wrote:   
   >   
   > > When we got the Nenaderthal mitochondrial DNA sequence the estimated   
   > > divergence was between 250,000 and 500,000.   
   >   
   > So it had to be less than that. Period.   
   >   
   > They assumed a "Clock Like" rate of mutation which was the same across   
   > all populations. That's insane. It's literally intelligent design or   
   > creationism -- "God did it!" -- because it's a denial of evolution i.e.   
   > selective pressures.   
   >   
   > Our mtDNA is very important and subject to a lot of selective pressures,   
   > or at least it was. As the powerhouse of the cells, the evolution of   
   > the mtDNA was vital to the push north, the adaptation to colder regions.   
   > But at the same time, the mtDNA of populations left behind in warmer   
   > climates was under little to no selective pressures. So...   
   >   
   > We had populations that moved out of warmer climates undergoing fairly   
   > rapid evolution of their mtDNA while those in warmer climates saw   
   > little to none, their mtDNA supposedly having long since adapted to   
   > conditions. But, the estimates assume that both were evolving at the   
   > exact same "Clock like" rate. The result is a wildly exaggerated age   
   > for divergence.   
   >   
   > There's a similar problem with the y chromosome, though that's only   
   > tangentially related to climate...   
   >   
   Well argued, no ranting, so you *can* do it.   
      
   > > The current estimates using   
   > > the genomic DNA sequence places the event that gave the Neanderthals   
   > > their mitochondrial DNA closer to 500,000 years ago.   
   >   
   > Never trust molecular dating, or rotating sock puppets posting to   
   > usenet & pretending to be interested in science.   
   >   
   But not for an entire post, it seems.   
      
      
      
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