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   these new structures did not evolve by Darwinian mechanisms because he   
   notes that Darwinian mechanisms were obviously working to select for the   
   broken genes.   
      
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   > The nature and measurement of information seems slippery. As you   
   > mention, is it Kolmogorov complexity or Darwkin's "incomplete record of   
   > the historical environment", or something else?   
      
   No matter how the ID perps have tried to measure information, nothing   
   has panned out for them.  At one time Dembski admitted that natural   
   selection could be the designer.  None of them have been able to   
   demonstrate that any of their examples of information could not have   
   evolved by descent with modification.  They aren't even dealing with the   
   information that they need to deal with when they lie about the genetic   
   code.  The information required for life is not in the genetic code, but   
   in the 3 dimensional structures created by the string of amino acids   
   produced using that code, and as the ID perps themselves admit life has   
   only had to explore a very small portion of possible protein space in   
   order to evolve the diversity that it has.  It is just a fact that only   
   a very small bit of protein space has had to be tested in order to do   
   everything that needs to be done.  This seems to be due to the fact that   
   the vast majority of protein genes have evolved from existing protein   
   genes, and that sequence has only had to be changed a little in order to   
   create the new function.  Your adaptive immune system would not work by   
   mutation and selection if this was not the case.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
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   > ID posits a lawlike conservation of information, which I find   
   > intuitively appealing, but Dembski's efforts to formally define this   
   > have yet to land it seems.   
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