From: 69jpil69@gmail.com   
      
   On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 20:01:38 -0600, RonO    
   wrote:   
      
   >https://scienceandculture.com/2025/12/ten-myths-about-dover-no-   
   0-the-intelligent-design-movement-died-after-dover/   
   >   
   >Has anyone ever claimed that the ID creationist scam died after Dover?    
   >It was never taken seriously by anyone with a clue after that, but it    
   >definitely did not die.  We had IDiots posting to TO until the ID perps    
   >screwed up and put out their Top Six best evidences for the ID scam in    
   >the order in which they must have occurred in this universe.   
      
      
   What happened after Dover was IDists moved their efforts to supporting   
   curricula in private schools, under the guise of religious expression.   
   Their efforts gained even more traction as Trump, the Republican   
   Party, and the MAGA movement weaponized fundamentalist religious   
   groups for political gain.  And their efforts went into overdrive as   
   Trump's SCOTUS judges handed down decisions to support bigotry under   
   the guise of religious freedom.   
      
      
   >In fact, the ID perps doubled down on the bait and switch scam after    
   >Dover, and they started claiming that the judges decision was wrong, and    
   >that even though ID had been found to be illegal to teach in the Dover    
   >public schools that the ID scam could still be taught outside of the    
   >middle federal court district of PA.  The ID perps continue to run the    
   >bait and switch ID scam to this day.  West Virginia, North and South    
   >Dakota are evidence of that.  The ID perps are the only creationist    
   >organization left still selling the rubes on the teach ID creationist    
   >ploy.  The ID network quit selling the teach ID ploy when the bait and    
   >switch started to go down, and they concentrated on selling the switch    
   >scam that didn't mention that ID had ever existed.  They even changed    
   >their name to COPE for around 8 years in order to sell the switch scam    
   >without having ID in the name of their organization.   
   >   
   >The Louisiana rubes didn't bend over for the switch scam until 2008, and    
   >had to have the bait and switch run on them a second time when they    
   >tried to use the switch scam to teach ID in their public schools in    
   >2009.  Texas didn't pass their switch scam state school board junk until    
   >2010 and both Louisiana and Texas had the bait and switch run on them    
   >again when both states tried to use the switch scam to teach ID in their    
   >public schools in 2013.   
   >   
   >The ID movement has just been using ID as bait for over 23 years.  Dover    
   >hit the fan and the bait and switch failed 3 years after the ID perps    
   >began running the bait and switch scam on any creationist rubes that had    
   >believed them about having any ID science to teach in the public    
   >schools.  The Dover rubes were just too stupid and ignorant to know that    
   >the ID perps were then ones that were selling the teach ID scam at that    
   >time, so they didn't take the switch scam and tried to teach ID anyway.   
   >   
   >If anything the ID movement died when the bait and switch started to go    
   >down in 2002.  Nelson started claiming that the ID science had never    
   >existed, but that the ID perps were working on creating some, and IDiots    
   >like Mike Gene admitted that he had given up on teaching the ID scam    
   >junk back in 1999.  ID has just been used as bait for over 23 years.    
   >The ID movement should have never started the bait and switch scam that    
   >is only run on their own creationist support base, but once the bait and    
   >switch scam started it likely should have died after Dover, but the scam    
   >artists could not give up on the original Wedge mission that the ID    
   >perps had signed up to accomplish.  The obfuscation and denial switch    
   >scam is their only way forward in trying to accomplish their Wedge    
   >goals, and the only way that they can get the rubes to try it is to use    
   >ID as bait.  COPE had a 100% failure rate for trying to sell creationist    
   >rubes the switch scam without using ID as bait.  Creationists just do    
   >not want to teach their kids enough science for them to understand what    
   >they have to deny if they can't tell them the religious reason for lying    
   >to them.   
   >   
   >Ron Okimoto   
      
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