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|    Re: Chimp to human evolution - Sandwalk     |
|    15 Dec 25 20:26:10    |
      From: rokimoto557@gmail.com              On 12/15/2025 6:53 PM, MarkE wrote:       > Larry Moran offers this analysis:       >       > "...A small number of these neutral mutations will become fixed in the       > population and it's these fixed mutations that produce most of the       > changes in the genome of evolving populations. According to the neutral       > theory of population genetics, the number of fixed neutral mutations       > corresponds to the mutation rate. Thus, in every evolving population       > there will be 100 new fixed mutations per generation. This means that       > fixation of 22 million mutations would take 220,000 generations. The       > average generation time of humans and chimps is 27.5 years so this       > corresponds to about 6 million years. That's close to the time that       > humans and chimps diverged according to the fossil record. What this       > means is that evolutionary theory is able to explain the differences in       > the human genome—it has explanatory power."       > https://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2025/12/how-many-regulatory-sites-in-       > human.html       >       > However, chimp to human evolution involves major (profound) adaptations,       > including:       >       > - Bipedalism and capacity for long-distance walking and endurance       > running: short, broad pelvis; S-shaped spine; long legs relative to       > arms; arched feet with non-opposable big toe.       >       > - Cognitive capacity increase: larger cranial capacity; dramatically       > expanded neocortex; highly developed prefrontal cortex; these produce:       > abstract reasoning; symbolic language; long-term planning; mathematics,       > music, art; large cooperative societies; etc.       >       > - Other physiology: extended childhood and adolescence; long lifespan;       > high energy investment in brain development; reduced muscle mass       > relative to body size; craniofacial morphology supporting speech       > articulation and dietary flexibility; precision hand grip and fine motor       > control.       >       > How many non-neutral adaptive mutations (in fact, highly adaptive,       > complex and coordinated suites of mutations) are required, over and       > above the estimated neutral/near-neutral mutations, to produce these       > adaptations, and how are these accounted for in the time available?       >              You likely missed the point. Most (nearly all) of the genetic changes       between chimps and humans are due to neutral mutations that don't change       the organism enough to have been selected for or against, and the number       is within the bounds of neutral theory. The phenotypic difference       between chimps and humans are believed to be due to only a small       fraction of the genetic differences between chimps and humans. To       account for your "profound" differences doesn't take that many       mutations. Nearly all the differences we observe in coding sequence are       neutral mutations because they do not change the amino acid sequence of       the protein or the amino acid substitution doesn't seem to affect the       function of the protein. There are a lot more amino acid substitutions       segregating within the human population than there are that are       different between chimps and humans. These variants usually do not have       much of a noticeable phenotype, but some of them like Sickle cell, Tay       Sachs, and cystic fibrosis may have some type of heterozygote advantage       and are segregating at relatively high frequency among humans even       though they are deleterious as homozygotes.              What Moran is pointing out is that the genetic changes that have evolved       between chimps and humans are all within the bounds of what it would       have been possible to select for in order to produce the phenotypic       differences between the two species. We think that most of the       differences between chimps and humans are due to regulatory sequence       changes. The genes are the same, but how they are regulated is different.              Ron Okimoto              Ron Okimoto              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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