From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   On 12/15/2025 3:52 PM, MarkE wrote:   
   > On 16/12/2025 2:41 am, RonO wrote:   
   >> On 12/15/2025 6:40 AM, MarkE wrote:   
   >>> Q. If you were to press the strongest ID arguments, what would they be?   
   >>>   
   >>> A. (ChatGPT 5.2): https://chatgpt.com/s/   
   >>> t_6940014556bc8191904d54ccf6735c7b   
   >>>   
   >>> ...   
   >>>   
   >>> Executive overview   
   >>>   
   >>> The strongest ID arguments do not rest on:   
   >>>   
   >>> - “Gaps in the fossil record”   
   >>> - “Evolution violates the Second Law”   
   >>> - “We can’t imagine how X evolved”   
   >>>   
   >>> They rest on three deep claims:   
   >>>   
   >>> 1. The origin of novel, functionally specific information   
   >>> 2. Systems-level irreducible coordination at the molecular scale   
   >>> 3. The absence of demonstrated creative power in known evolutionary   
   >>> mechanisms   
   >>>   
   >>> These arguments aim not at descent with modification, but at the   
   >>> sufficiency of unguided mechanisms to produce new integrated   
   >>> biological systems.   
   >>>   
   >>> ...   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Why would any honest religious person support a stupid bait and switch   
   >> scam that the ID perps have been running on their own creationist   
   >> support base for over 23 years.  You know for an absolute fact, that   
   >> they have been doing that for over two decades, so what could be any   
   >> possible reason for supporting the scam?   
   >>   
   >> The ID perps claim that the Top Six are their best evidences for the   
   >> ID scam, and all six were god of the gaps stupidity used by the   
   >> scientific creationists that came before the ID perp creationist scam   
   >> artists.   
   >>   
   >> The problem with the current AI is that they believe the lies.  They   
   >> do not differentiate between a lie and reality.  The AI takes the ID   
   >> scam propaganda that the ID perps use to support their dishonest bait   
   >> and switch effort without regard to whether or not it has a basis in   
   >> reality.   
   >>   
   >> The ID perps do not run the bait and switch on the science side, but   
   >> they run the scam on their own creationist support base.  Creationist   
   >> like you have always been the victims of the bait and switch.  You   
   >> have watched the bait and switch go down 100% of the time, and you can   
   >> still do what you do after all the other IDiots quit supporting the   
   >> scam when they realized that they had never wanted the ID perps to   
   >> succeed in producing any valid ID science.  The crazy fact is that the   
   >> rubes do not even want to teach the ID science.  #1 of the Top Six is   
   >> the Big Bang and the creationist rubes have already tried to remove   
   >> the Big Bang from their state's science standards in several statesj,   
   >> and they succeeded in Kansas.  None of them would want to teach the   
   >> Top Six as the best evidence for ID, just as Kalk, Bill, and Pagano   
   >> couldn't deal with the Top Six when confronted by the reality of what   
   >> the ID perps were selling.  Filling the Top Six gaps in the order in   
   >> which they must have occurred in this universe would just have been   
   >> more science for creationist like yourself to deny.  It is why you   
   >> have to lie to yourself about why you support the origin of life gap   
   >> denial when filling that gap would mean that the Bible is just wrong   
   >> about the creation.   
   >>   
   >> Ron Okimoto   
   >>   
   >>   
   >   
   > Ron, AI is passing the Turing test with honours: its responses are not   
   > only indistinguishable from yours, they are more coherent, substantial,   
   > interesting and compelling.   
   >   
   >   
   >   
      
   Mark, you know that you are just lying to yourself.  The facts are the   
   facts.  You know that the bait and switch has been going down for over 2   
   decades, and lying about the situation is just crazy and dishonest at   
   this time.  What have the ID perps done with ID except use it as bait?   
   You can't name anything because they don't even want to deliver any   
   valid science because they know that it would just be more science to   
   deny.  Why can't you explain what filling the origin of life gap would   
   do to your Biblical beliefs?  The ID perps have always had that same   
   objection to delivering any real science.  Sewell couldn't even stand   
   the original Top Six and had to drop the Cambrian Explosion and the   
   flagellum as a designed machine and place the others out of temporal   
   order, because he knows that the rubes can't accept some god being   
   responsible for evolving a bunch of animals within a 25 million year   
   period over half a billion years ago, and they definitely do not want to   
   know about some designer messing with microbes over a billion years ago   
   to design the flagellum evolving 3 neutral mutations in the same cell   
   lineage in a given period of time to do it.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
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