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   > sequence. That is, it appears that a quantifiable amount of information   
   > has been created.   
   >   
   > Hence my question to Dembski. I understand your underwhelm. It does seem   
   > to warrant further study and explanation.   
   >   
   > One way to look at this would be to ask, can RM+NS potentially produce   
   > say just 2 bits of information (e.g. a single advantageous point   
   > mutation)? Regardless of one's overall position, I think you'd have to   
   > concede that it could, even if you dismissed it as trivial. What about 4   
   > bits? 8 bits? At what point would we discomfirm the ID assertion that   
   > information "can only come from a mind", or the "conservation of   
   > information"?   
      
   I find it self-evident that demonstrating that 1 bit comes from a source   
   other than a mind that is be sufficient to disconfirm the ID assertion   
   that information "can only come from a mind". ("conservation of   
   information" is not equivalent, and is not sufficient to conclude design.)   
      
   >   
   > Is the resolution akin to entropy: entropy could potentially increase   
   > spontaneously in a closed system with a very small number of (say) gas   
   > molecules with different velocities, such that the hotter ones randomly   
   > moved to one region and the colder ones to another. However, as the   
   > number of particles increases, the probability of this occurring   
   > decreases exponentially.   
   >   
   > Inference: macroevolution (a non-trivial increase in information) is   
   > like entropy decrease in a stochastic ensemble (e.g. a spontaneous non-   
   > trivial temperature gradient).   
   >   
   > The former is in an open system, but I'm not suggesting direct equivalence.   
   >   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> (AlphaFold broke the back of the protein folding problem, but in   
   >>>> that case one could appeal to import from environment as the source   
   >>>> of the information in the trained model.)   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
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