From: me22over7@gmail.com   
      
   On 18/12/2025 2:55 pm, RonO wrote:   
   > What is your association with the ID perps and the Discovery Institute's   
   > ID scam unit?   
      
   None.   
      
   Have you listened to extended discussion or lecture by Stephen Meyer?   
   You may disagree with him, but if you dismiss him as a "delusional" "ID   
   perp", an "IDiot" spouting only "stupid junk" and a "scam", then we may   
   effectively and regrettably have nothing to talk about.   
      
   >   
   > Pretty much only someone deeply involved in the ID scam would still   
   > think that these types of numbers mean anything, and you would have to   
   > be an ID perp so delusional that you would go along with the bait and   
   > switch scam and still think that there might be something worth   
   > believing about the creationist scam.  Even a hard core IDiot like Mike   
   > Gene quit the ID scam after the failure in Dover.  I had always   
   > considered the ID perps to be a bunch of dishonest scam artists that   
   > never believed their stupid junk and were only into the bait and switch   
   > scam because it was their only means of pushing their Wedge agenda   
   > forward.  Really, what kind of dishonest creationist would continue to   
   > support the ID scam after the Bait and Switch started to go down?  We   
   > know that Nelson kept supporting the bait and switch when he understood   
   > that the ID science had never existed, and I had always thought that the   
   > other ID perps were the same way, but if you are associated with the ID   
   > scam that might mean that some of them are delusional true believers.   
   >   
   > We already know that you are an IDiot so deluded that you wouldn't give   
   > up when the ID perps rubbed your face in the fact that Biblical   
   > creationists that are anti science because of their Biblical beliefs   
   > would have never wanted the ID perps to accomplish any science with   
   > respect to the Top Six.  The designer of the Top Six is not the designer   
   > described in the Bible.  It would just be more science for Biblical   
   > creationists to deny.  Most of the other IDiots quit supporting the ID   
   > scam, but you started lying to yourself about one at a time so that you   
   > would not have to deal with reality.  The scientific creationists had   
   > used the Top Six as you started using them.  They are only meant to be   
   > used to deny reality and need to be forgotten before moving on to the   
   > next one to lie to yourself about reality.  They are used as single use   
   > fire and forget denial stupidity.  Meyer in his book The God Hypothesis   
   > used them as independent bits of gap denial.  He didn't try to develop a   
   > single god hypothesis and instead used them to create a bunch of god   
   > hypotheses.  Meyer was only using them for individual gap denial, he   
   > wasn't using them to develop a god hypothesis that would deal honestly   
   > with reality, and that is how you are dealing with reality.   
      
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