From: 69jpil69@gmail.com   
      
   On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 12:15:59 -0600, RonO    
   wrote:   
      
   >On 12/15/2025 7:51 AM, jillery wrote:   
   >> On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 20:01:38 -0600, RonO    
   >> wrote:   
   >>    
   >>> https://scienceandculture.com/2025/12/ten-myths-about-dover-   
   o-10-the-intelligent-design-movement-died-after-dover/   
   >>>   
   >>> Has anyone ever claimed that the ID creationist scam died after Dover?   
   >>> It was never taken seriously by anyone with a clue after that, but it   
   >>> definitely did not die.  We had IDiots posting to TO until the ID perps   
   >>> screwed up and put out their Top Six best evidences for the ID scam in   
   >>> the order in which they must have occurred in this universe.   
   >>    
   >>    
   >> What happened after Dover was IDists moved their efforts to supporting   
   >> curricula in private schools, under the guise of religious expression.   
   >> Their efforts gained even more traction as Trump, the Republican   
   >> Party, and the MAGA movement weaponized fundamentalist religious   
   >> groups for political gain.  And their efforts went into overdrive as   
   >> Trump's SCOTUS judges handed down decisions to support bigotry under   
   >> the guise of religious freedom.   
   >   
   >I do not recall the ID perps ever pushing teaching the ID scam in    
   >private schools.     
      
      
   I don't mind refreshing your memory:   
      
   People like Stephen Meyer, a longtime ID advocate, has teamed up with   
   Prager University to spread the word:   
       
      
      
      
   And there's this from Google:   
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   An Intelligent Design (ID) curriculum, primarily from the Discovery   
   Institute and Sapience Institute , offers materials like textbooks   
   (e.g., Discovering Intelligent Design), workbooks, and DVDs for   
   homeschoolers and private schools, presenting biological and   
   cosmological arguments for an intelligent cause behind life's   
   complexity, often integrating ID concepts into biology or offering   
   standalone courses for critical thinking on evolution, focusing on   
   evidence for design in nature and questioning aspects of Darwinian   
   evolution   
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   And you previously provided this link:   
      
      
      
   >At one time they had a home school lesson plan, but it    
   >was mostly anti evolution and how that related to the families religious    
   >beliefs.  Dembski was forced to apologize to his college students for    
   >telling them that the earth may be older than a few thousand years old,    
   >and that the flood may have been a local flood.  If he had not    
   >apologized he would have been fired.  As it was his contract was not    
   >renewed.   
   >   
   >The ID perps have been claiming that their ID science can be taught in    
   >the public schools for nearly 30 years, but they have never produced a    
   >public school lesson plan that presented what could be taught and how    
   >they thought that it could be taught.  Even their home school lesson    
   >plan did not teach much about the ID scam, and they openly claimed that    
   >it was not suitable for public schools as a disclaimer.  That lesson    
   >plan doesn't seem to be available any longer at their web site.  It    
   >seemed to spend a lot of time trying to assure the parent that ID was    
   >religiously kosher.  Their problem likely is that most of their    
   >creationist support base (it has always been YEC) would not want to    
   >teach their kids the "evidence" that the ID perps claim to have    
   >supporting ID science.  It is all non Biblical, and old earth gap    
   >denial.  YEC would not want to teach their kids the junk so that they    
   >could place the denial into context with reality.  Just think what a    
   >flop ID would be if they taught the Top Six honestly in the order in    
   >which they must have occurred in this universe along with relevant    
   >contextual information.   
   >   
   >Ron Okimoto   
   >>    
   >>    
   >>> In fact, the ID perps doubled down on the bait and switch scam after   
   >>> Dover, and they started claiming that the judges decision was wrong, and   
   >>> that even though ID had been found to be illegal to teach in the Dover   
   >>> public schools that the ID scam could still be taught outside of the   
   >>> middle federal court district of PA.  The ID perps continue to run the   
   >>> bait and switch ID scam to this day.  West Virginia, North and South   
   >>> Dakota are evidence of that.  The ID perps are the only creationist   
   >>> organization left still selling the rubes on the teach ID creationist   
   >>> ploy.  The ID network quit selling the teach ID ploy when the bait and   
   >>> switch started to go down, and they concentrated on selling the switch   
   >>> scam that didn't mention that ID had ever existed.  They even changed   
   >>> their name to COPE for around 8 years in order to sell the switch scam   
   >>> without having ID in the name of their organization.   
   >>>   
   >>> The Louisiana rubes didn't bend over for the switch scam until 2008, and   
   >>> had to have the bait and switch run on them a second time when they   
   >>> tried to use the switch scam to teach ID in their public schools in   
   >>> 2009.  Texas didn't pass their switch scam state school board junk until   
   >>> 2010 and both Louisiana and Texas had the bait and switch run on them   
      
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