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   RonO to jillery   
   Re: ID movement died after Dover? (2/2)   
   18 Dec 25 08:43:45   
   
   [continued from previous message]   
      
   >>>> that even though ID had been found to be illegal to teach in the Dover   
   >>>> public schools that the ID scam could still be taught outside of the   
   >>>> middle federal court district of PA.  The ID perps continue to run the   
   >>>> bait and switch ID scam to this day.  West Virginia, North and South   
   >>>> Dakota are evidence of that.  The ID perps are the only creationist   
   >>>> organization left still selling the rubes on the teach ID creationist   
   >>>> ploy.  The ID network quit selling the teach ID ploy when the bait and   
   >>>> switch started to go down, and they concentrated on selling the switch   
   >>>> scam that didn't mention that ID had ever existed.  They even changed   
   >>>> their name to COPE for around 8 years in order to sell the switch scam   
   >>>> without having ID in the name of their organization.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The Louisiana rubes didn't bend over for the switch scam until 2008, and   
   >>>> had to have the bait and switch run on them a second time when they   
   >>>> tried to use the switch scam to teach ID in their public schools in   
   >>>> 2009.  Texas didn't pass their switch scam state school board junk until   
   >>>> 2010 and both Louisiana and Texas had the bait and switch run on them   
   >>>> again when both states tried to use the switch scam to teach ID in their   
   >>>> public schools in 2013.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The ID movement has just been using ID as bait for over 23 years.  Dover   
   >>>> hit the fan and the bait and switch failed 3 years after the ID perps   
   >>>> began running the bait and switch scam on any creationist rubes that had   
   >>>> believed them about having any ID science to teach in the public   
   >>>> schools.  The Dover rubes were just too stupid and ignorant to know that   
   >>>> the ID perps were then ones that were selling the teach ID scam at that   
   >>>> time, so they didn't take the switch scam and tried to teach ID anyway.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> If anything the ID movement died when the bait and switch started to go   
   >>>> down in 2002.  Nelson started claiming that the ID science had never   
   >>>> existed, but that the ID perps were working on creating some, and IDiots   
   >>>> like Mike Gene admitted that he had given up on teaching the ID scam   
   >>>> junk back in 1999.  ID has just been used as bait for over 23 years.   
   >>>> The ID movement should have never started the bait and switch scam that   
   >>>> is only run on their own creationist support base, but once the bait and   
   >>>> switch scam started it likely should have died after Dover, but the scam   
   >>>> artists could not give up on the original Wedge mission that the ID   
   >>>> perps had signed up to accomplish.  The obfuscation and denial switch   
   >>>> scam is their only way forward in trying to accomplish their Wedge   
   >>>> goals, and the only way that they can get the rubes to try it is to use   
   >>>> ID as bait.  COPE had a 100% failure rate for trying to sell creationist   
   >>>> rubes the switch scam without using ID as bait.  Creationists just do   
   >>>> not want to teach their kids enough science for them to understand what   
   >>>> they have to deny if they can't tell them the religious reason for lying   
   >>>> to them.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Ron Okimoto   
   >>>   
   >   
      
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