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|    RonO to jillery    |
|    Re: ID movement died after Dover? (2/2)    |
|    18 Dec 25 08:43:45    |
      [continued from previous message]              >>>> that even though ID had been found to be illegal to teach in the Dover       >>>> public schools that the ID scam could still be taught outside of the       >>>> middle federal court district of PA. The ID perps continue to run the       >>>> bait and switch ID scam to this day. West Virginia, North and South       >>>> Dakota are evidence of that. The ID perps are the only creationist       >>>> organization left still selling the rubes on the teach ID creationist       >>>> ploy. The ID network quit selling the teach ID ploy when the bait and       >>>> switch started to go down, and they concentrated on selling the switch       >>>> scam that didn't mention that ID had ever existed. They even changed       >>>> their name to COPE for around 8 years in order to sell the switch scam       >>>> without having ID in the name of their organization.       >>>>       >>>> The Louisiana rubes didn't bend over for the switch scam until 2008, and       >>>> had to have the bait and switch run on them a second time when they       >>>> tried to use the switch scam to teach ID in their public schools in       >>>> 2009. Texas didn't pass their switch scam state school board junk until       >>>> 2010 and both Louisiana and Texas had the bait and switch run on them       >>>> again when both states tried to use the switch scam to teach ID in their       >>>> public schools in 2013.       >>>>       >>>> The ID movement has just been using ID as bait for over 23 years. Dover       >>>> hit the fan and the bait and switch failed 3 years after the ID perps       >>>> began running the bait and switch scam on any creationist rubes that had       >>>> believed them about having any ID science to teach in the public       >>>> schools. The Dover rubes were just too stupid and ignorant to know that       >>>> the ID perps were then ones that were selling the teach ID scam at that       >>>> time, so they didn't take the switch scam and tried to teach ID anyway.       >>>>       >>>> If anything the ID movement died when the bait and switch started to go       >>>> down in 2002. Nelson started claiming that the ID science had never       >>>> existed, but that the ID perps were working on creating some, and IDiots       >>>> like Mike Gene admitted that he had given up on teaching the ID scam       >>>> junk back in 1999. ID has just been used as bait for over 23 years.       >>>> The ID movement should have never started the bait and switch scam that       >>>> is only run on their own creationist support base, but once the bait and       >>>> switch scam started it likely should have died after Dover, but the scam       >>>> artists could not give up on the original Wedge mission that the ID       >>>> perps had signed up to accomplish. The obfuscation and denial switch       >>>> scam is their only way forward in trying to accomplish their Wedge       >>>> goals, and the only way that they can get the rubes to try it is to use       >>>> ID as bait. COPE had a 100% failure rate for trying to sell creationist       >>>> rubes the switch scam without using ID as bait. Creationists just do       >>>> not want to teach their kids enough science for them to understand what       >>>> they have to deny if they can't tell them the religious reason for lying       >>>> to them.       >>>>       >>>> Ron Okimoto       >>>       >              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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