From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   On 12/18/2025 5:47 AM, MarkE wrote:   
   > On 18/12/2025 2:55 pm, RonO wrote:   
   >> What is your association with the ID perps and the Discovery   
   >> Institute's ID scam unit?   
   >   
   > None.   
   >   
   > Have you listened to extended discussion or lecture by Stephen Meyer?   
   > You may disagree with him, but if you dismiss him as a "delusional" "ID   
   > perp", an "IDiot" spouting only "stupid junk" and a "scam", then we may   
   > effectively and regrettably have nothing to talk about.   
      
   Meyer is a dishonest scam artist.  He has run the bait and switch scam   
   from the start of the Discovery Institute's ID scam unit.  He was   
   involved in writing the teachers notes for Of Pandas and People.  Meyer   
   was the main cheerleader and director of the teach ID scam.  He was an   
   author for the Discovery Institute Teach ID handbook.  He had a real job   
   teaching at a religious college, but after he ran the first bait and   
   switch scam on the Ohio rubes in 2002 he quit that job.  It must have   
   been difficult to walk down the hallways with others knowing what you   
   had done.  Meyer dropped out for a few months and West had to step   
   forward and make sure that the bait and switch continued to go down.  It   
   was all so tragically lame at the time that who would have expected that   
   the ID perps would still be running the bait and switch scam today?   
      
   Why would anyone take Stephen Meyer seriously?  He has directed a stupid   
   and dishonest bait and switch scam for over 2 decades.  Meyers is in the   
   business of conning the rubes into supporting the "Big Tent" ID scam   
   when his own main argument depends on 25 million years not being enough   
   time to create all the different kinds of animals during the Cambrian   
   explosion that he knows occurred over half a billion years ago.  He has   
   to lie to the YEC IDiots that support the ID scam that they are welcome   
   in his creationist scam.  Meyer understands that YEC still are the   
   majority support for the ID scam, and he is willing to lie to them about   
   reality in order to keep that support.  Even old earth creationists like   
   Kalk and Pagano could no longer support the ID scam after the Top Six   
   rubbed their faces in the fact that the ID scam did not support Biblical   
   creationism.   
      
   If you have no association with the ID scam why are you still an IDiot?   
   You know that you are an IDiot for religious reasons, so why support a   
   scam that does not support Biblical creationism?  The ID scam junk is   
   not supposed to be taken seriously by Biblical creationists.  It is only   
   supposed to be used for denial purposes.  IDiots like you only want to   
   be lied to.  Bill, Kalk, and Pagano are examples of that.  Once they   
   came to understand that the ID perp's designer was not the Biblical   
   designer they quit supporting the ID scam.  Bill even claimed that he   
   had never supported the ID scam, and Bill had been an IDiotic supporter   
   of the ID scam for over a decade at that time.  YEC like Nelson only   
   supports the bait and switch ID scam because he understands that the ID   
   science never existed.  YEC ID perps like Nelson would have never joined   
   up to support the Wedge strategy if Meyer really had scientific support   
   for intelligent design during a 25 million year period that occurred   
   over half a billion years ago.  Meyer understood how lost Nelson had to   
   be because Meyer was an oil geologist at one point in his career.   
      
   All ID has ever been used for is as bait so that the ID perps could push   
   off their obfuscation and denial switch scam onto the creationist rubes.   
     I recently put up a post about Wells that demonstrated that the switch   
   scam obfuscation and denial were all used in the Gish Gallop in the   
   creationist attempt to support YEC Biblical literalism.  The Supreme   
   court has already ruled that such obfuscation and denial is not support   
   for creationism, so the ID perps have to tell the rubes that they can't   
   mention ID nor creationism when they teach the switch scam stupidity.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
   >   
   >>   
   >> Pretty much only someone deeply involved in the ID scam would still   
   >> think that these types of numbers mean anything, and you would have to   
   >> be an ID perp so delusional that you would go along with the bait and   
   >> switch scam and still think that there might be something worth   
   >> believing about the creationist scam.  Even a hard core IDiot like   
   >> Mike Gene quit the ID scam after the failure in Dover.  I had always   
   >> considered the ID perps to be a bunch of dishonest scam artists that   
   >> never believed their stupid junk and were only into the bait and   
   >> switch scam because it was their only means of pushing their Wedge   
   >> agenda forward.  Really, what kind of dishonest creationist would   
   >> continue to support the ID scam after the Bait and Switch started to   
   >> go down?  We know that Nelson kept supporting the bait and switch when   
   >> he understood that the ID science had never existed, and I had always   
   >> thought that the other ID perps were the same way, but if you are   
   >> associated with the ID scam that might mean that some of them are   
   >> delusional true believers.   
   >>   
      
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