From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   On 12/19/2025 9:16 AM, Dale wrote:   
   > On 12/18/2025 9:26 AM, RonO wrote:   
   >> On 12/18/2025 5:52 AM, Dale wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>> does this mean non-intelligence does it ?   
   >>>   
   >> What you are witnessing on TO is the fact that ID has been a bogus and   
   >> dishonest creationist scam for decades, and that the proponents were   
   >> fully aware of that, but continue to support the scam for religious   
   >> reasons.   
   >>   
   >> Just because the ID creationist scam turned out to be bogus does not   
   >> mean that there is no god or gods in existence.  What the ID scam has   
   >> demonstrated is that if some god exists that the Bible does not   
   >> describe this god's achievments very accurately.  The Bible has been   
   >> known to be wrong about a lot of things about the creation for   
   >> centuries.  The ID scam has demonstrated that the Bible cannot be   
   >> taken as a science textbook.  Things just did not happen the way that   
   >> they are described in the Bible.   
   >>   
   >> Most of the IDiots quit the ID scam on TO when they came to realize   
   >> that the designer that fills the ID perp's gaps is not the designer   
   >> described in the Bible.  MarkE is the last of the IDiots because he   
   >> can still lie to himself about reality.   
   >>   
   >> Ron Okimoto   
   >>   
   >   
   > I seem to see requests to prove the Bible when the debate sought is just   
   > whether there is ID   
   >   
   There have been no request to prove or disprove the Bible in any way   
   except from the creationists.  That is known to be a lost cause for   
   centuries and really isn't any topic worthy of discussion except for   
   those that still believe that it can be done.   
      
   There has not been any attempts to falsify the ID perp's god of the gaps   
   denial stupidity.  What has occurred on TO is that the IDiotic   
   creationist rubes that fell for the ID scam were only supporting the   
   creationist scam for dishonest religious reasons, and when they had   
   their faces rubbed in the fact that they had never wanted the ID perps   
   to produce any valid ID science (any valid ID science would just mean   
   that the Bible was wrong about the creation) they quit supporting the ID   
   scam.  Only MarkE wants to keep wallowing in the gap denial so that he   
   can keep lying to himself about reality.   
      
   The fact is that just the existence of the ID scam Top Six gaps means   
   that nature is not Biblical, and that the Bible is wrong about what the   
   creator is supposed to have done.  The Top Six gaps exist within the   
   context of what we already understand about nature, and for Biblical   
   creationists that believe that nature is the creation, it means that the   
   creation is not Biblical.  Any designer that the ID perps could   
   demonstrate could fill those gaps would not be the designer described in   
   the Bible.  The reason to believe old earth creationists no longer claim   
   to support the ID scam because they understand that ID does not support   
   their Biblical creation model that they have up on their web page.  The   
   Top Six gaps do not fit into their creation model in the order in which   
   they must have occurred in this universe.  MarkE understands that fact   
   because he refuses to acknowledge how filling the origin of life gap   
   with some non Biblical god would affect his religious Biblical beliefs.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
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