From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   On 12/19/2025 12:11 AM, JTEM wrote:   
   >   RonO wrote:   
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   >> QUOTE:   
   >> “ID is not science and cannot be adjudged a valid, accepted scientific   
   >> theory as it has failed to publish in peer-reviewed journals…”   
   >   
   > Abiogenesis isn't science. It's religion. It's a belief that can't   
   > be falsified.   
      
   As you know Abiogenesis is one of the weakest of scientific endeavors,   
   but it is still science which is more than you can say about a stupid   
   religious bait and switch scam.  The ID perps are running the bait and   
   switch on their own creationist support base.  Abiogenesis research is   
   just trying to figure out the most likely means that life may have   
   originated on this planet.  They do not expect to figure out how it   
   actually happened.  As you have noted life could have originated   
   somewhere else under different conditions.  No matter what they come up   
   with it is always possible that life came into existence by some less   
   probable means.   
      
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   > SETI is too.   
      
   Your stupid fixation on SETI should worry you.  It is likely due to the   
   fact that SETI has more science going for it than your basket case notions.   
      
   Who claims that SETI is good science?  It is just a fishing expedition.   
   They state that in the name of what they are doing (Search for   
   extraterrestrial intelligence).  Fishing expeditions commonly occur in   
   science.  The real science occurs in the analysis of what they find   
   during the fishing expedition.  If they find nothing no real science   
   ever gets done.   
      
   The theological naturalists that went out into nature and looked for   
   evidence to support their Biblical beliefs were fishing.  They never   
   found what they were looking for, but they were responsible for   
   discovering some of how nature was actually working, and they   
   contributed to the scientific endeavor.  Science will benefit from   
   anything that SETI finds that may have some interest.  SETI has an   
   hypothesis, and they are making observations that would test that   
   hypothesis.  The ID perps make the claims and like Behe claim that they   
   do not have to do the testing.  Behe knows what he needs to do in order   
   to look for his 3 neutral mutations that he claims must exist in his IC   
   systems, but he refuses to do the testing, and won't even get the ID   
   scam unit to fund the research that would accomplish the testing.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
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