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|    RonO to All    |
|    Peer reviewed research lies about ID    |
|    18 Dec 25 21:45:43    |
      From: rokimoto557@gmail.com              https://scienceandculture.com/2025/12/ten-myths-about-dover-no-3       intelligent-design-has-no-peer-reviewed-publications/              QUOTE:       “ID is not science and cannot be adjudged a valid, accepted scientific       theory as it has failed to publish in peer-reviewed journals…”              “A final indicator of how ID has failed to demonstrate scientific       warrant is the complete absence of peer-reviewed publications supporting       the theory.”       END QUOTE:              The ID perps are still lying about peer reviewed publications that       support their bogus ID theory junk.              Both Minnich and Behe demonstrated under oath that they knew of no peer       reviewed scientific publications supporting intelligent design. That is       how the Judge came to his conclusions. There still are no peer reviewed       scientific publication supporting intelligent design science. They       might mention intelligent design, but they don't present any valid       science supporting the notion.              The ID perps had published scientific papers, but none of them warranted       being called scientific support for ID by Behe and Minnich. The judge       got his opinion about no peer reviewed scientific support from Behe and       Minnich being unable to put forward any such papers.              In this article they put up several papers like Meyer's retracted paper       which likely wasn't any type of valid support for ID, and it ended up       being retracted by the journal (The ID perps are still paying off       Sternberg for getting that paper published, just think how much they       have paid Sternberg since 2007, and for what? Sternberg has never       produced any ID science worth calling science or the bait and switch       would not continue to go down.).              It seems laughable, but they put up a Behe and Snokes paper on gene       duplication not being able to evolve complex protein-protein       interactions. So their simulation failed, so what? Minnich was       involved in a paper that demonstrated that gene duplication resulted in       an IC tail structure where the tail was made of multiple parts, but if       you removed one of tail parts the tail would not be made. Minnich had       likely identified the tail protein genes in his gene knockout       experiments demonstrating that the flagellum was irreducibly complex in       that if you removed a part the function would be lost (Minnich never       demonstrated that the flagellum was Behe's type of IC that required       "well matched" parts and other things). It turned out that the original       flagellum likely had only one tail protein that attached to the hook and       extended the tail, but a more complex tail evolved by gene duplication.       The initial duplication produced two copies of the tail protein gene.       One copy specialized in binding to the hook and the other specialized in       extending the tail. The gene that extended the tail duplicated again       and one of the duplicates evolved to be smaller in structure so that if       it was added after the first extender protein the tail would get       narrower. This smaller extender protein duplicated and one copy reduced       in size again, and allowed a greater tapper. If you remove the tail       protein that binds to the hook you won't get a tail because the other       duplicated copies now only extend the tail. This just means that       Minnich had already demonstrated that Behe and Snoke's simulation paper       was likely GIGO, and that they had to redo the simulation parameters,       and try to figure out how the flagellar tail evolved by gene       duplication. All the additional parts had to do was keep doing their       original job and produce a smaller building block.              Ron Okimoto              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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