From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   On 12/19/2025 12:20 PM, Dale wrote:   
   > On 12/19/2025 11:35 AM, RonO wrote:   
   >> On 12/19/2025 9:16 AM, Dale wrote:   
   >>> On 12/18/2025 9:26 AM, RonO wrote:   
   >>>> On 12/18/2025 5:52 AM, Dale wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> does this mean non-intelligence does it ?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>> What you are witnessing on TO is the fact that ID has been a bogus   
   >>>> and dishonest creationist scam for decades, and that the proponents   
   >>>> were fully aware of that, but continue to support the scam for   
   >>>> religious reasons.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Just because the ID creationist scam turned out to be bogus does not   
   >>>> mean that there is no god or gods in existence.  What the ID scam   
   >>>> has demonstrated is that if some god exists that the Bible does not   
   >>>> describe this god's achievments very accurately.  The Bible has been   
   >>>> known to be wrong about a lot of things about the creation for   
   >>>> centuries.  The ID scam has demonstrated that the Bible cannot be   
   >>>> taken as a science textbook.  Things just did not happen the way   
   >>>> that they are described in the Bible.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Most of the IDiots quit the ID scam on TO when they came to realize   
   >>>> that the designer that fills the ID perp's gaps is not the designer   
   >>>> described in the Bible.  MarkE is the last of the IDiots because he   
   >>>> can still lie to himself about reality.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Ron Okimoto   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> I seem to see requests to prove the Bible when the debate sought is   
   >>> just whether there is ID   
   >>>   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   >> There have been no request to prove or disprove the Bible in any way   
   >> except from the creationists.   
   >   
   > seen it happen here   
   >   
   Your powers of observation seem to be the cause of a lot of your posts   
   never amounting to much of anything.  The whole point of the creationist   
   attempts to make their scientific creationist claims and their renaming   
   that effort intelligent design was because the creationists claimed that   
   they could do the same science as everyone else and support their   
   Biblical creationist beliefs.  The creationists are the ones that want   
   to use science to support their Biblical beliefs.  Science doesn't care   
   what their Biblical beliefs are.  The plain and simple facts are that it   
   has always been up to the creationists to demonstrate that they can   
   support their religious beliefs with science.  The scientific   
   creationist effort ended in abject failure, and the intelligent design   
   scam pretty much ended with the ID perps running a bait and switch scam   
   instead of put up their junk for evaluation like the scientific   
   creationists had done before them.  Their junk was only publically   
   evaluated where it mattered when their bait and switch efforts failed   
   and the creationist rubes tried to teach the nonexistant science anyway.   
     If this had not happened the ID perps would have never had, had to   
   demonstrate how worthless their scam junk was.   
      
   It has always been the scientific and intelligent design creationists   
   that have wanted to use science to support their Biblical beliefs.  The   
   fact that they failed is their problem and not anyone elses.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
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