From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   On 12/22/2025 7:54 PM, Dale wrote:   
   > On 12/19/2025 6:18 PM, Dale wrote:   
   >> On 12/19/2025 4:40 PM, RonO wrote:   
   >>> On 12/19/2025 12:20 PM, Dale wrote:   
   >>>> On 12/19/2025 11:35 AM, RonO wrote:   
   >>>>> On 12/19/2025 9:16 AM, Dale wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 12/18/2025 9:26 AM, RonO wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 12/18/2025 5:52 AM, Dale wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> does this mean non-intelligence does it ?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> What you are witnessing on TO is the fact that ID has been a   
   >>>>>>> bogus and dishonest creationist scam for decades, and that the   
   >>>>>>> proponents were fully aware of that, but continue to support the   
   >>>>>>> scam for religious reasons.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Just because the ID creationist scam turned out to be bogus does   
   >>>>>>> not mean that there is no god or gods in existence.  What the ID   
   >>>>>>> scam has demonstrated is that if some god exists that the Bible   
   >>>>>>> does not describe this god's achievments very accurately.  The   
   >>>>>>> Bible has been known to be wrong about a lot of things about the   
   >>>>>>> creation for centuries.  The ID scam has demonstrated that the   
   >>>>>>> Bible cannot be taken as a science textbook.  Things just did not   
   >>>>>>> happen the way that they are described in the Bible.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Most of the IDiots quit the ID scam on TO when they came to   
   >>>>>>> realize that the designer that fills the ID perp's gaps is not   
   >>>>>>> the designer described in the Bible.  MarkE is the last of the   
   >>>>>>> IDiots because he can still lie to himself about reality.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Ron Okimoto   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> I seem to see requests to prove the Bible when the debate sought   
   >>>>>> is just whether there is ID   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> There have been no request to prove or disprove the Bible in any   
   >>>>> way except from the creationists.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> seen it happen here   
   >>>>   
   >>> Your powers of observation seem to be the cause of a lot of your   
   >>> posts never amounting to much of anything.  The whole point of the   
   >>> creationist attempts to make their scientific creationist claims and   
   >>> their renaming that effort intelligent design was because the   
   >>> creationists claimed that they could do the same science as everyone   
   >>> else and support their Biblical creationist beliefs.  The   
   >>> creationists are the ones that want to use science to support their   
   >>> Biblical beliefs.  Science doesn't care what their Biblical beliefs   
   >>> are.  The plain and simple facts are that it has always been up to   
   >>> the creationists to demonstrate that they can support their religious   
   >>> beliefs with science.  The scientific creationist effort ended in   
   >>> abject failure, and the intelligent design scam pretty much ended   
   >>> with the ID perps running a bait and switch scam instead of put up   
   >>> their junk for evaluation like the scientific creationists had done   
   >>> before them.  Their junk was only publically evaluated where it   
   >>> mattered when their bait and switch efforts failed and the   
   >>> creationist rubes tried to teach the nonexistant science anyway.   If   
   >>> this had not happened the ID perps would have never had, had to   
   >>> demonstrate how worthless their scam junk was.   
   >>>   
   >>> It has always been the scientific and intelligent design creationists   
   >>> that have wanted to use science to support their Biblical beliefs.   
   >>> The fact that they failed is their problem and not anyone elses.   
   >>>   
   >>> Ron Okimoto   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> There are some good things in the Bible ?   
   >>   
   >> The tree of life is a mother's womb ?   
   >>   
   >> The garden of Eden is planting/harvesting by family relations ?   
   >>   
   >> Leaving Eden completely to plant/sow/harvest ones own garden is the   
   >> "human condition"   
   >>   
   >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_condition   
   >>   
   >   
   > More good Bible thoughts around Christmas ?   
   >   
   > I have some simple new thinking of mine I put on my Website.   
   >   
   > "Garden of Eden"   
   > "Christmas"   
   >   
   > On the HOME selection of my Site there are links to thoughts.   
   >   
   > On the BLOG selection of my my Site the thoughts can be found.   
   >   
   > https://www.dalekelly.org/   
   >   
      
   You are an example of people finding what ever they want to find in the   
   Bible, and you are also an example of why that isn't a desirable aspect   
   of the Bible.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
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